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#1 Hubadubalubahu
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[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]You just created another strawman. That's not what I said. KC_Hokie

You use that way to much. It is exactly what you said.

No. Let me put my scenario into another context.

Person A, a bum, high school dropout, no skills and living off welfare for the last 5 years.

Person B, a skilled or educated person who is productive in society. This productivity includes things like charity.

Do I feel bad when I hear person A dies. No. Person B. Yes. Are they 'worth' the same thing then. No. Maybe to their families but not society.

The education is the same. The skills vary on wether or not the person has held different jobs and what type of jobs. Really your only measurment of self worth right now is productivity. Which isn't a bad thing but maybe you should work on the context you write things because as good as they sound in your head we are not always on the same page as you. But very little high school dropouts would be able to afford to do absolutley nothing. Otherwise yes, you are describing a bum, not a highschool drop out.
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#2 Hubadubalubahu
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[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] KC_Hokie
Person A drops out of highschool and does nothing. Person B drops out of highschool and does something. They have the same amount of education. You make no sense.

You just created another strawman. That's not what I said.

You use that way to much. It is exactly what you said. "While skilled or educated people who are productive in society are valued higher in my mind." They have the same education.
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#3 Hubadubalubahu
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KC_Hokie
Person A drops out of highschool and does nothing. Person B drops out of highschool and does something. They have the same amount of education. You make no sense.
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[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]No. That's a very specific group. You're the one that took a specific example and then generalized it. Then you attacked that generalization.

That's also called a straw man argument which is a logical fallacy.

KC_Hokie

Lol at your terrible attempt to argue semantics. That feeling when you realize your an ass and have to backpeddle to victimize yourself.

You're the one that attempted to take my specific example, generalize it, and then attack that generalization. Again, a logical fallacy.

Ok then why did you choose to focus on high school dropouts without any valuable skills who is a drain on their family or society vs. any educated or skilled person that is productive? Do high school dropouts that make something of themselves fall into the any educated or skilled person category. Its not my fault you put things in a context in which they would misrepresent your oh so open minded views. And if so what makes them more educated or skilled then the other highschool dropouts.
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[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Do I hold the same respect for a high school dropout without any valuable skills who is drain on their family or society vs. any educated or skilled person that is productive?

Of course not.

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^looks like generalizing to me. your taking a small group and making it seem the norm

No. That's a very specific group. You're the one that took a specific example and then generalized it. Then you attacked that generalization.

That's also called a straw man argument which is a logical fallacy.

Lol at your terrible attempt to argue semantics. That feeling when you realize your an ass and have to backpeddle to victimize yourself.
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#6 Hubadubalubahu
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The average person with a college degree has more earning potential as a human being. KC_Hokie

You don't get what I mean. What I mean is the right to dignity and respect based on their personality traits, not how much money they make.

Do I hold the same respect for a high school dropout without any valuable skills who is drain on their family or society vs. any educated or skilled person that is productive?

Of course not.

^looks like generalizing to me. your taking a small group and making it seem the norm
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[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you're a high school dropout that lives off your family or the government and make little to not attempt to work with no skills.....your human worth isn't the same as a productive person. KC_Hokie
No sh*t but that is generalizing and makes you ignorant as fuc*. All germans are nazis while were at it

I didn't generalize. I gave a specific scenario.

In your mind which you have made very clear you believe that highschool and college drop outs are all a drain on society and the people around them which is far from true. You are generalizing
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[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] KC_Hokie
You really are dumb, communisim has nothing to do with this or human worth. Take the sh*t you spew elsewhere.

If you're a high school dropout that lives off your family or the government and make little to not attempt to work with no skills.....your human worth isn't the same as a productive person.

No sh*t but that is generalizing and makes you ignorant as fuc*. All germans are nazis while were at it
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[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Facts don't back you up.

KC_Hokie

I'm sorry you feel that charts and grpahs dictate facts of life. It doesn't take a college education to make something of yourself and in no way does it provide human worth.

The average person with a college degree will make more than the average person without. That's just a fact.

A fact that is slowly diminishing with the job market.
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#10 Hubadubalubahu
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You really are dumb, communisim has nothing to do with this or human worth. Take the sh*t you spew elsewhere.