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#1 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Crysis 3>>>blue_hazy_basic

build me a $400 PC, run crysis 3 on it, then post screens. If it looks better than KZSF, then I will agree with you, Crysis 3 >>>>>>. Until that day, this argument needs to die. Yes, PC games look better when maxed out. But people who buy consoles buy them because to get a PC that can output similar graphics would cost twice as much as its console counterpart. And before u link me to some random computer that has better specs on paper, I want you to show me a game on that $400 PC and show me the screenshots that look better than PS4/XOne games. You wont do it because it will never happen.

 

DISCLAIMER - THE FOLLOWING RANT IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS FREEDOMFREAK

While im here, I might as well finish my rant. This whole "PC >>>> Your LIfe" attitude is idiotic at best. You will have a console graphics thread, some douche walks in and posts Crysis 3 pics on max on a $1000+ rig. Consolites will say "Yeah it looks better, but you have to sell an arm and a leg to buy that PC". Random PC douche X will then post a link to a random PC that costs $500 and say "you see! Its affordable!"...yes douchebag, its affordable, but will it get me crysis 3 running like the screenshot u just posted? HELL FREAKING NO! So why even bring it up?

Thats like me bringing up KZ shadowfall and then someone saying "yeah but a PS4 is $400" and I reply with "but you can buy a PS1 for around $50". Thats exactly what you are doing when you show a Crysis 3 max screenshot, and then link me a $500 piece of crap PC that can barely run Terraria at 60FPS.

Its a complete misnomer to compare a PC to a console in straight up costs. A console manufacturer isn't looking to make a profit on a console (or at least much of one) and often takes a loss and buys in vast bulk vs someone buying a PC, when each specific item has a retail markup on it. If someone sat down to build a PS4 you need to compare what that would cost at retail vs a home built PC for your example to make sense. Especially this gen there are also the hidden costs of paying to play online and much more expensive games.

that perfectly fine, but all the inner business complications that occur are completely irrelevant to the end user. I dont care if Sony is selling their console at a loss or whatever. That doesnt affect me in any way. All I care about, is the price I have to pay to get the device. And as it stands, you cannot make a PC for $400 that will give me graphics than a PS4. It just wont happen. As for all the hidden costs of paying to play online and all that other stuff, that has nothing to do with the price of the actual console itself. I could just buy every game used, or wait til its on sale. And I dont necessarily have to play online. I could play offline and still be content with my purchase. My point is if we are talking about hardware flat out, its bullcrap to post Crysis pics running at max and then turn around in the same thread and claim PC gaming is completely affordable cause that's just flat out lying. Sure, PC gaming CAN BE affordable, but you sure as hell wont be playing Crysis 3 at max.

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Crysis 3>>>freedomfreak

build me a $400 PC, run crysis 3 on it, then post screens. If it looks better than KZSF, then I will agree with you, Crysis 3 >>>>>>. Until that day, this argument needs to die. Yes, PC games look better when maxed out. But people who buy consoles buy them because to get a PC that can output similar graphics would cost twice as much as its console counterpart. And before u link me to some random computer that has better specs on paper, I want you to show me a game on that $400 PC and show me the screenshots that look better than PS4/XOne games. You wont do it because it will never happen.

 

DISCLAIMER - THE FOLLOWING RANT IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS FREEDOMFREAK

While im here, I might as well finish my rant. This whole "PC >>>> Your LIfe" attitude is idiotic at best. You will have a console graphics thread, some douche walks in and posts Crysis 3 pics on max on a $1000+ rig. Consolites will say "Yeah it looks better, but you have to sell an arm and a leg to buy that PC". Random PC douche X will then post a link to a random PC that costs $500 and say "you see! Its affordable!"...yes douchebag, its affordable, but will it get me crysis 3 running like the screenshot u just posted? HELL FREAKING NO! So why even bring it up?

Thats like me bringing up KZ shadowfall and then someone saying "yeah but a PS4 is $400" and I reply with "but you can buy a PS1 for around $50". Thats exactly what you are doing when you show a Crysis 3 max screenshot, and then link me a $500 piece of crap PC that can barely run Terraria at 60FPS.

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#3 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Nope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Break

Shoulder come on man. You can do better than that. Your troll skills are starting to lack as of late. Pick it up!
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It can easily be done unless you all on this site are a bunch of kids, never had to work in a manufacturing plant I can tell you that there are many stages and changes going on in every plant, up to 2 months to a month of shipping. I'm not saying that they will change any specs but when I saw the xbox one it looks too big as if MS already had it in plans.Tighaman

No one is arguing the literal ability to do so. We know that it can technically and physically and literally be done. We are just questioning if its the type of thing a major company like Microsoft would do so close to the release of a major product. Making changes such as clocking up a GPU and so on, can have negative effects on the overall stability of the system. I dont think MS purposely underclocked their GPU cause they wanted to have a weaker system. They probably tested out a lot of scenarios and realized that the current clock settings are the max processing power they can get without compromising stability and reliability.

Its like over clocking your GPU. You can do it, but it can easily get unstable and you will get BSODs and freezes. And even with the same GPU, 2 different people will get stable overclocking at different clock speeds. And not to mention the problem of increased heat production. All we are saying is that its not something likely since there is a high probability of errors due to the lack of time to test it properly, and it could cost MS billion(s) of dollars in recalls/warranties once again and lose them consumer trust.

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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Looks great, cant wait to play it and hear more about the online. seanmcloughlin

The online looks almost like the Just Cause 2 MP. Lots of dudes running around doing crazy crap. GTA IV had a really good foundation for it but it never felt THAT amazing. 

This looks like it will be non stop fun. Imagine getting in jets together and having parachute races :P P2M game nights will be great :D

I like that they worked on the mechanics, because frankly, that was the one of my biggest issues with all the 3d gta games. Everything controls like a tank. My only concern now is the frame rate. I expect a lot of sub 30FPS dips and the average FPS will be more along 25FPS than 30 FPS
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Im not even gonna front, that looks like everthing GTAIV should have been AND THEN MORE! This game looks like it will remind the disenchanted fans (like me) why we feel in love with GTA in the first place! My hype just went from 4/10 to a 12/10 :D

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#7 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

By now, the console should be in mass production. This is impossible. Major changes would have to be made to the mainboard to make room for extra memory modules.

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not necessarily, 360 only entered mass production 69 days before release, but i do get your point. This rumor is pretty close to 0.

But look at all the problems the 360 had at release. I doubt MS will risk another RROD fiasco by changing the hardware so soon to the release date and bypassing the recommended testing. But then again, MS has been making some rather odd and concerning decisions as of late so its possible :P I just hope they dont delay the console.
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I gotta get this. Im not a huge civilization fan, but I bought Civ 5 when it was on sale and its easily become one of my favorite games. Its truly a masterful game. I already have the first expansion, gotta get this beast next :)
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#9 II_Seraphim_II
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I thought MS pr said specs didn't really matter?

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Well...u know...MS and its 180s :P
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[QUOTE="GravityX"][QUOTE="superclocked"]768sp * 2ops * 800MHz = 1.23 TFLOPSronvalencia

Could any of these numbers be changed to increase the amount TFLOPS ?

Without changing the chip design, clock speed can change the TFLOPS number.

But that would cause a lot of stability and overheating problems. Can MS afford another RROD? I think not, so they will probably play it safe in that regard.