mrmusicman247

People also need to remember what these people are in prison over. Sure some of them dont deserve to have some of these perks, but im betting that most of them didnt do really that much wrong or rather that being stuck in prison is punishment enoughIantheone

Eugh. This thread really shows how insenensative people are to others. conflict is what we naturally do. There are millions of people out there, Isnt it inevitable that someone is going to get hurt or killed? There shoudnt be prisons, you cant just lock people away because the law says so. Afew guys sitting round a table probably wrote that. Life is cruel and it should be very dangerous. That is the reality we chose to ignore.

Give the prisoners whatever. They shoudnt be there in the first place.

stevus

[QUOTE="Jonzey123"]I've always wanted this, but thought a Zombie MMO would be better (and I don't even like MMOs). Imagine if you had a whole city to explore, surrounded by wilderness. You have the ability to scavenge materials and build/reinforce your own home base however you like. You can choose to be a loner, riding into town on your motorbike looking for fuel, or band up with others for a better chance of survival. Life is actually meaningful in the game- it ends when everyone is dead or turned (which could take weeks or months- the dead players can join a new game, but still keep an eye on how the remaining survivors in their old game are doing). The outskirts of the town are safest as there are fewer zombies, they're mostly in the city centre, so its the perfect place to build a base. But your base has to be strong enough to survive the occasional zombie attack in addition to attacks from other surviving groups after your supplies. People who join your group can betray you at any time, so you have to keep a close eye on them and build trust (there's no prize for being the last survivor, the idea is for as many people to survive as long as possible) Dead players become zombies too, and your group will be faced with tough decisions, for example when you find 3 vials of vaccine to prevent you zombifying so easily... who gets them? Each game will have a large number of people, I don't know what a large number is for MMO's but something similar to that. Alternatively, the same, but single player (maybe with some co-op) a bit like Fable 3, where you start off alone but become the leader of a group of NPC's, build your base as in the MMO idea, and decide who does what. They'd all have distinct personalities and traits and when they're dead, they're dead. Do you keep your favourite ones safe at home, or act fair and rotate those who accompany you into the city (or go into the city while you stay home)?hypoty

Exanimus was going to do something very similar to this, but it got cancelled for unknown reasons. They had developed siege and safehouse systems, the structure of the world and had tons of concept art. Possession is also another zombie game (RTS) that will likely never get released.

It's a shame that they caved into the demands of whiners. All the people that complained about the new Cole did not play the game and did not see how the new Cole fit into the new context. I can't stand the sense of entitlement that goes along with fans thinking that all is well in the world when they influence the artistic vision of a developer. I don't see why the fans didn't just be open-minded enough to see how Sucker Punch's new vision played out, instead of pretending that they knew that this Cole was a mistake despite not playing the damn game. Jesus Christ.

If authors and filmmakers are not expected to adjust their artistic vision for fans, why are video game developers?

Now I'm sure the caving in won't hurt anything, but it's the principle of this that bothers me. If there's ever some kind of precedent set for this kind of thing, that will be a very sad day for artistic freedom.

/rant

GreySeal9

I agree. If developers are going to cave and change something as trivial as the design of the main character, people are just going to assume they get a say in everything and whine even harder than usual to try and get their way. I mean, what if next week they release screenshots of Gears of War 3 where Marcus has a mullet and speaks in a squeaky voice. Will it make any difference whatsoever to the game? Aside from perhaps making it 100% more hilarious. These characters are not iconic enough for things like this to matter. If Sega made Sonic yellow instead of blue, I could understand fans getting upset.

You know, when this was first announced I thought ''huh, isn't that pretty soon after the first one?''. I never bought the first one, but I was planning on buying it once the price dropped a bit more. Now I just think it's got out of hand. Valve are a company. Companies need to make money. According to wikipedia (not the most reliable source, I know), over 190 people work at Valve. The only game they released last year was Left 4 Dead 1. The only game they are releasing this year is Left 4 Dead 2. We are currently in difficult financial times. I don't blame Valve for what they're doing. Maybe, as a company, they're not as financially stable as you think. Maybe they could just release your precious free DLC, then go bankrupt at the end of the year and put all those people out of work. But hey, at least you wouldn't have to pay to enjoy their hard work. Oh, and to the people saying they wouldn't mind if it was DLC but they charged you for it... Ummm... Yes you would. You wouldcry and moan and whine and complain about how Valve used to never charge for DLC but now they're charging you for DLC so BOYCOTT VALVE for needing money!!!