God I'm so tired of these agnostic elitists who don't understand what atheism means. When asked the proposition "Do you believe in God" you can not answer "I don't know" because you're lying, you're not answering the question. You can not hold hold the belief that you believe at the same time you don't believe, one of those is a lie. You either do or don't. Not believing doesn't not mean you are absolutely certain that God doesn't exist, you degree of certainty is irrelevant to whether or not you DO believe. Why can't you understand this?
He needs to educate himself. I'd like to know where he got that definition, because when I google'd it all I could find was dictionary.com, which by the way can be edited by the users. Secondly, he should know better. Does he really believe Atheism has doctrines? What are they? Atheism is the lack of a belief in a claim, not a belief, what is the belief? i sited where i got my definition MW:1archaic : ungodliness, wickedness 2a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity Oxford: disbelief in the existence of God or gods. oxford for disbelief : inability or refusal to accept that something is true or real no matter how you want it, it is the a belief that there is no god and if you want to make that claim to others the burden of proof is on you, just as it is on the thiest if they want to press their claim on others that there must be a god. agnostic- oxford:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God. MW:: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god dictionary.com: a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as god, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience
You're a moron and I'll tell you why: First of all here is the direct link for Oxford's definition of "Atheist" http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_us1413920#m_en_us1413920 You continue to misunderstand, Atheism is the lack of a belief that God's exist, can you point out where the belief is there? Can you point out what the claim is? I'd love for you to tell me. What claim am I making that needs to be proven? If you want to say that I'm making a claim and need evidence to back it, then you also need evidence to back your disbelief in big foot, leprechauns, pixies, the tooth fairy, santa, lochness monster, etc. Now we'll just start with the ones I mentioned so you can demonstrate that a lack of belief in those things by yourself also means you have evidence to back your disbelief. Do you have your evidence those things don't exist? If you don't you're contradicting your own argument. I'll wait.
[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] a·the·ism /ˈeɪθiˌɪzəm/ Show Spelled [ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA –noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism um no it is a BELIEF that there is no god, something that would need to be proven as to be an atheist you would have to make that claim,
surrealnumber5
Theists like this make me lol. I'm atheist. where is the theist? could you point him or her out to me?
I've since been corrected and told you were an agnostic, my mistake for assuming. My comments about you still hold, however.
He needs to educate himself. I'd like to know where he got that definition, because when I google'd it all I could find was dictionary.com, which by the way can be edited by the users. Secondly, he should know better. Does he really believe Atheism has doctrines? What are they? Atheism is the lack of a belief in a claim, not a belief, what is the belief?
I agree, as most self described "atheists" that I am aware of tend to merely lack an affirmative belief in a diety. The same for dictionaries. (Oxford notwithstanding) According to some definitions, atheism is an affirmative belief that a deity doesn't exist. Generally these are referred to as "gnostic atheists." (as opposed to agnostic atheists)
You sir, are on the ball! I'd say I'm dangerously close to being a gnostic atheist though, I'm almost entirely certain a deity exists. Now I'm sure a Theist will read that sentence and accuse me of making a claim but that's not the case and I have a small illustration that might prevent those people. Do you believe Big Foot exists? Probably not, meaning you lack a belief in Big Foot. Now how certain are you that he doesn't exist? If you are almost entirely certain that he doesn't exist, that doesn't mean you require proof, because you are still not making a claim, you are just reacting to a severe lack of evidence as concerned with an extraordinary claim (a mythical animal) which is normal. The same holds true with my gnostic atheism. Now I will say, no atheist is absolutely certain that God doesn't exist, and if they say they are they're BS'ing. But when the proposition "A God exists" is proposed your answer is either yes or no regarding your thought's on the proposition, you're certainty about your answer determines how you may be labeled an agnostic atheist/theist or gnostic atheist/theist. But yes, I'm am fairly certain a Theistic God does not exist, I do hold a slightly higher probability for a Deistic God, which I think logically follows, but regardless am Atheist towards both claims.
[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] a·the·ism /ˈeɪθiˌɪzəm/ Show Spelled [ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA –noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism um no it is a BELIEF that there is no god, something that would need to be proven as to be an atheist you would have to make that claim,
coolbeans90
Theists like this make me lol. I'm atheist.
He's an agnostic, if memory serves correctly.
He needs to educate himself. I'd like to know where he got that definition, because when I google'd it all I could find was dictionary.com, which by the way can be edited by the users. Secondly, he should know better. Does he really believe Atheism has doctrines? What are they? Atheism is the lack of a belief in a claim, not a belief, what is the belief?
[QUOTE="krazykillaz"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] and yet you claim to be an atheist, where is your scrutiny your evidence? if you need proof one way or the other then you would be agnostic, being an atheist takes just as much faith and as many assumptions as it does to be a theistsurrealnumber5
You are mistaken. The burden of proof lies on the person making the claim. Atheism is not a belief that there is no god or gods, it's the lack of belief in them. The two don't mean the same thing. a·the·ism /ˈeɪθiˌɪzəm/ Show Spelled [ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA –noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism um no it is a BELIEF that there is no god, something that would need to be proven as to be an atheist you would have to make that claim, Theists like this make me lol. I'm atheist.
[QUOTE="mohfrontline] Dude are you serious? Gravity has been proven, it's no longer a theory. Sorry to burst your ignorance bubble, but your statement of "theoretically we can..." is more of a claim than it's not. Theories are unproven thoughts or ideas and to make a claim is no better or worse than believing in God. I'm done with your claims lol.
Gravity is a theory, go find a dictionary, and or a scientific textbook and come back please.
[QUOTE="-Tish-"] Please, enlighten me on how that's fact, and not just scientific fact. I just did? Did you not understand my example of natural selection? What are you finding wrong with that example, which is testable and observable, we could do it right now if we had the proper setup that would demonstrate natural selection, but you can use the interwebz and look it up right now. And a fact is defined as "a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred. So what are you talking about a scientific fact?..
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