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#1 LOXO7
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[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

What don't you understand? They deregulated the financial market and forced banks to give loans to people who could never afford to pay them back. We're not in this mess because of capitalism, we're in it because of government.

leviathan91

Does not compute...

How does deregulation force the banks to do something?

I think he meant that govt' regulations lowed the standard of who can be given a loan while at the same time, government forced banks to give loans even if they can't pay back.

The government didn't force banks to give out loans. The government gave the banks insurance that it would cover any money loaned out through Freddie and Fannie. So it wasn't the banks money that they were loaning out to people it was the governments. Why is college tuition so high? The great and valuable education that comes with it. No way. The government loans out money to students. The college business simply raises tuition because they know the government will guarantee student loans. When the government stops doing this, people wont be able to afford college and then the universities will have to lower their rates. Moral is, too much government.
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#2 LOXO7
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

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There's nothing wrong with capitalism. There's just something wrong with absolutely no government involvement. Markets are doing a very poor job regulating themselves. The government des sometimesneed to step in to make sure that people aren't being totally gouged.

Companies, left unchecked, can enslave us just as much as the government can.

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Pfft. What do you call the governments bailout of the auto industries? That looks like government enslavement. I don't know how they got persuaded by those corporate lobbyists, oh wait, yes I do. The politicians got theirs. Didn't they? They couldn't have been turned by that line, "Too big to fail."

Taxes are chains. McDonalds wouldn't make any profit if they paid their workers 10 cents an hour and still kept their dollar menu. Henry Ford started paying his employees $5 and hour so they could afford his cars he built (or government). Their would be no downside to removing the minimum wage regulation and reducing the taxes, drastically.

He started paying his workers 5$ an hour because he had a huge turnover rate due to low pay and dangerous conditions. Encouraging them to buy a Ford was just a bonus

Competition. Capitalism. But this wouldn't happen today. Because people are too dumb that they would end up working for a loss(yeah right). They can't think for themselves enough to figure out that their pay is too less. What a crock of crap! That's the reason people here are saying/think we need minimum wage.
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There's nothing wrong with capitalism. There's just something wrong with absolutely no government involvement. Markets are doing a very poor job regulating themselves. The government des sometimesneed to step in to make sure that people aren't being totally gouged.

Companies, left unchecked, can enslave us just as much as the government can.

BuryMe

Pfft. What do you call the governments bailout of the auto industries? That looks like government enslavement. I don't know how they got persuaded by those corporate lobbyists, oh wait, yes I do. The politicians got theirs. Didn't they? They couldn't have been turned by that line, "Too big to fail."

Taxes are chains. McDonalds wouldn't make any profit if they paid their workers 10 cents an hour and still kept their dollar menu. Henry Ford started paying his employees $5 and hour so they could afford his cars he built (or government). Their would be no downside to removing the minimum wage regulation and reducing the taxes, drastically.

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How is it their money or property? -Sun_Tzu-
Yeah, it's the Federal Reserves money. They made it. Or wait, did the government make it? I don't know who made what any more.
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#5 LOXO7
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The amount of police hate on this forum is getting annoying. feels like every other post is (COPS ASSAULT ) CORRUPT COPS ) /rant.

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Amen to this.

How ironic you choose to use the word amen on a hate bashing religion board.
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]I already brought up one. If you have an income below a certain level, you are not required to purchase health insurance. Also, you are an idiot. How the fvck is requiring people to own firearms free? You realize that would necessitate people to purchase firearms and (depending on the details of the legislation) ammunition - neither of which are cheap.

coolbeans90

That is not an an equal exemption to the first amendment. The first amendment is for all Americans. The exception for the individual mandate is for only certain kind of people. What the ****? Did I miss something? I must have because I'm an idiot. Man. It's really hard to continue with this ignorance.

The exception to religious objection applies only to those who hold certain religious viewpoints - so, no the exemption does not apply to all people. Only certain kinds of people. Atheists, I'm sure, are unable to opt out of this due to "religious objections" considering their lack of religion. AND IF ANYONE COULD DECIDE TO NOT GO FOR THE MANDATE BECAUSE EXEMPTIONS ARE GIVEN OUT FREELY TO ERRYBODY, IT IS NOT AN EXEMPTION. It is a letter from the government begging people to buy guns. Good fvcking Jesus.

Are you calling the US constitution a fascist document? You must not be getting it. If it's against your beliefs/religion then you don't have to own a gun in the city of Kennesaw. Opting out is a beautiful thing. I suggest you use some of your constitutional rights and not follow this dictator to insanity. You might still have hope, but from the looks of it you are already there.
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[QUOTE="noscope-ak47"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]I already brought up one. If you have an income below a certain level, you are not required to purchase health insurance. Also, you are an idiot. How the fvck is requiring people to own firearms free? You realize that would necessitate people to purchase firearms and (depending on the details of the legislation) ammunition - neither of which are cheap.

coolbeans90

If you can't afford a gun and a box of ammo this requirement is the least of your problems.

Same with health insurance, but that's besides the point. IT'S NOT FREE.

The government in Kennesaw, Georgia upholds the law of the land. Unlike fascist dictator President Obama. "Derpa derpa durr Not free!" You're right. We sure aren't.
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]There are free exemptions to Individual mandate. The 50 employees thing has NOTHING to do with the individual mandate. PLEASE CLARIFY WHAT YOU REFER TO.

Also, I suppose it would be fair for me to say that you are okay with big government stuff you like. I.e. - you prefer a different flavor. So, fvck off.

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Please enlighten me. I don't know of the free exemptions that you speak of.

I already brought up one. If you have an income below a certain level, you are not required to purchase health insurance. Also, you are an idiot. How the fvck is requiring people to own firearms free? You realize that would necessitate people to purchase firearms and (depending on the details of the legislation) ammunition - neither of which are cheap.

That is not an an equal exemption to the first amendment. The first amendment is for all Americans. The exception for the individual mandate is for only certain kind of people. What the ****? Did I miss something? I must have because I'm an idiot. Man. It's really hard to continue with this ignorance.
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"] It isn't free. And the person stocking the shelves or packaging the food didn't do it for free ether. The person packaging it is paid by his company. The packaged food is then bought by the store, so the store pays the company for the packaged food. The store then pays our stockboy to put the packaged food on the shelf. Later a person buys that packaged food with their food stamps. The food stamps are nothing more than a voucher. The store agrees to participate in the program, and thus allows the person to leave the store with the food despite not yet receiving any money for that food. The store is latter monetarily reimbursued for the value of the food stamps. In this sense it is no different than the store redeeming a "free drink" coupon from a Coca-Cola promotion. And, of course, the food stamp program is funded by taxes which the food stamp recipient may or may not have paid into at one point or another. worlock77

It is completely different from a company coupon. The government is not a company. This does not stimulate the economy. The customers are taking stores products. The government is giving money to the stores, which it took from the American people. Everyone has less. And if it grows more people will have less.

Are you an idiot? That's a serious question.

I said nothing about "stimulating the economy". My post was in response to your idiotic notion that the stockboy is working for free because of food stamps. What's that you say? The government is not a company? No sh*t. Looks like the point flew about 10 miles over your head. The food stamp program is a voucher program. In that sense it does function the same as other voucher programs such as a Coca-Cola "free drink" promotion. The customer presents the voucher (be it a Link Card, or a coupon or a bottle cap or whatnot) to the business. The business (if it has agreed to participate in the program) allows the customer to have the product despite not getting any money for the product at that moment. The business then redeemds the voucher to the program's sponsor who then pays the business the value of the voucher. This is what a voucher program is. This is how voucher programs work.

You are so much more... The context of this thread is to stimulate the economy. The people* in this thread think more government is more jobs = more good. Which is insane. And you whatever you speak of relates to said people. You cannot make me believe you know what you're talking about when you post in a topic about 80 thousand job loss and state, "I said nothing about stimulating the economy, Nah!"

There is no risk in the government providing food stamps to people. There is risk with a company doing this with an ad or coupons. Profit verse protection. How do they relate? They don't. It's not similar in no function. The stock boy puts food on the shelves and some of his worked time is for free. He doesn't get paid for the work he does that gets taken away by food stamps. Get it? Of course he does get "paid" but it's not by his employer. Nor is the employer getting paid by those customers.

I don't give a care if you think you've worked your way out of a bad system that allows the government go deeper into debt. Taxes should be raised on everyone to allow these government programs. Not keep "borrowing" from the Fed. This way people know what is good to keep and what is not.

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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

There are also exemptions for income level. The bloody point is that all mandates have some exemptions and do not necessarily justify their intrusions.

coolbeans90

The exemptions are free in this gun law. They are not in the individual mandate. Not all exemptions are equal. Just because you say Obamacare has exemptions doesn't mean it's the same as this gun law having exemptions. And paying a tax isn't and equal exemption. Cutting jobs in your business just to get under the 50 employee to save money isn't an equal exemption. All government institutions should have the opt out exemption.

There are free exemptions to Individual mandate. The 50 employees thing has NOTHING to do with the individual mandate. PLEASE CLARIFY WHAT YOU REFER TO.

Also, I suppose it would be fair for me to say that you are okay with big government stuff you like. I.e. - you prefer a different flavor. So, fvck off.

Please enlighten me. I don't know of the free exemptions that you speak of.