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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="GamerForca"]

1. I've seen this thread at least 3 times in the past.
2. The city's population is around 30k, not 13k, and it's part of the Atlanta metro area. There's nearly a million people living in Cobb County.
3. People still don't understand that socio-demographics of varying places has more to do with gun crime than anything else. If guns in Kennesaw were illegal and everyone had one in downtown Atlanta, there'd still be many shootings in Atlanta and virtually none in Kennesaw. If everyone had a gun in Kennesaw and they were banned in Atlanta, there'd still be many shootings in Atlanta and virtually none in Kennesaw.

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Interesting theory. Do you have any more information about this socio-demographics?

Look up the percentage of rich people and whites, then look up the percentage of economically disadvantaged minorities in these metro Atlanta cities. The crime rate corresponds closely to these statistics. I attempt to type this in a way that doesn't seem racist (when I probably shouldn't even bother).

The racist government laws against minorities or the racist police force and racist judges. I heard of the stat of blacks in prison compared to their percentage in America. It's terrible. The way to fix this is to make the country more free. The the racist officials like where they are at and how they are suppressing the minorities with more regulation Obamacare for one and non offensive criminal acts.

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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="LOXO7"] Name some Obamacare exemptions. I am unaware.coolbeans90

You can pay a penalty, oh wait, fine, oh wait again, a tax (are they not all the same in reality?) if you choose not to purchase insurance. Talk about increasing revenues for the government, It sure will be a big one from the looks of things.

There are also exemptions for income level. The bloody point is that all mandates have some exemptions and do not necessarily justify their intrusions.

The exemptions are free in this gun law. They are not in the individual mandate. Not all exemptions are equal. Just because you say Obamacare has exemptions doesn't mean it's the same as this gun law having exemptions. And paying a tax isn't and equal exemption. Cutting jobs in your business just to get under the 50 employee to save money isn't an equal exemption. All government institutions should have the opt out exemption.
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

There are exceptions in Obamacare as well. Regardless of any exceptions you cannot think that one mandate requiring people to buy something is ok while condemning another. At least not without some serious cognative dissonance.

WhiteKnight77

Name some Obamacare exemptions. I am unaware.

You can pay a penalty, oh wait, fine, oh wait again, a tax (are they not all the same in reality?) if you choose not to purchase insurance. Talk about increasing revenues for the government, It sure will be a big one from the looks of things.

It was called a tax. So I guess Worlock would agree paying a tax is equal to not paying a tax by claiming the mandate is against his religion or beliefs. About ObamaCare the exemption I know of in small businesses the owner doesn't have to provide insurance to it's employees. As long as they maintain below the 50 person employees limit. But if they go over then they will have to pay for all of their employees insurance. That's quite a leap from 50 to 51 persons employed and how it's going to stunt the growth of business across the country.
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So do you support the idea that government can require you to purchase a certain good or service?

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No. And if I didn't support the cities mandate I could opt out of it by saying it's against my religion to use firearms. Unlike Obamacare. But somehow this is hypocritical? Explain this one to me please.

There are exceptions in Obamacare as well. Regardless of any exceptions you cannot think that one mandate requiring people to buy something is ok while condemning another. At least not without some serious cognative dissonance.

Name some Obamacare exemptions. I am unaware.
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1. I've seen this thread at least 3 times in the past.
2. The city's population is around 30k, not 13k, and it's part of the Atlanta metro area. There's nearly a million people living in Cobb County.
3. People still don't understand that socio-demographics of varying places has more to do with gun crime than anything else. If guns in Kennesaw were illegal and everyone had one in downtown Atlanta, there'd still be many shootings in Atlanta and virtually none in Kennesaw. If everyone had a gun in Kennesaw and they were banned in Atlanta, there'd still be many shootings in Atlanta and virtually none in Kennesaw.

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Interesting theory. Do you have any more information about this socio-demographics?
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

True. It's ok to mandate the ability to send people to the hospital, but it's not ok to mandate that they be covered for their hospital visits.

lol

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Except that not everyone lives in Kennesaw, GA. If you don't like it move. Or say it's against your religion. But, Obamacare is for everyone living in the US. If you don't like it, move. Or say it's against your religion.. no wait. You can't do that. :roll:

Nothing to stop you from moving out of the US. You could move to Somalia where I am pretty sure they don't have Obamacare.

But I would much rather move out of a city limit then the country limit. As would the majority here.
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

True. It's ok to mandate the ability to send people to the hospital, but it's not ok to mandate that they be covered for their hospital visits.

lol

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Except that not everyone lives in Kennesaw, GA. If you don't like it move. Or say it's against your religion. But, Obamacare is for everyone living in the US. If you don't like it, move. Or say it's against your religion.. no wait. You can't do that. :roll:

So do you support the idea that government can require you to purchase a certain good or service?

No. And if I didn't support the cities mandate I could opt out of it by saying it's against my religion to use firearms. Unlike Obamacare. But somehow this is hypocritical? Explain this one to me please.
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

True. It's ok to mandate the ability to send people to the hospital, but it's not ok to mandate that they be covered for their hospital visits.

lol

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Except that not everyone lives in Kennesaw, GA. If you don't like it move. Or say it's against your religion. But, Obamacare is for everyone living in the US. If you don't like it, move. Or say it's against your religion.. no wait. You can't do that. :roll:

You can mostly certainty move, but I doubt that would do much good as many western nations have universal healthcare. Besides, it's more the idea that you can mandate certain things, but not other things that's making us confused. It's hypocritical.

It's not hypocritical because the cities mandate has exceptions. Obamacare does not. And it's for an entire country. This makes it worse because America has the potential to be the best country, and moving to a nearby city or just out of the city limits is much better than moving to China.
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[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Those ads are simply telling people who are eligible to go on them. And for good reason, since the food stamps bring a return.

Keep telling yourself that. But it won't make it true.
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"] [QUOTE="l4dak47"] http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2011/aug/19/obamas-food-stamp-economy/ When you talk about the SNAP program or the food stamp program, Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack said this week, you have to recognize that it's also an economic stimulus. Every dollar of SNAP benefits generates $1.84 in the economy in terms of economic activity."worlock77
Ugh. The quote goes on to say, "If people are able to buy a little more in the grocery store, someone has to stock it, package it, shelve it, process it, ship it. All of those are jobs. It's the most direct stimulus you can get in the economy during these tough times." They're not buying it though. The government is granting people free stuff. How do you pay that which is free? It's true though, someone did have to stock it, package it, shelve it, but they all just did it for free. The government will provide. No one has to work for money anymore. Here's what Peter Schiff says on food stamps. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNzIc8oZM4c

It isn't free. And the person stocking the shelves or packaging the food didn't do it for free ether. The person packaging it is paid by his company. The packaged food is then bought by the store, so the store pays the company for the packaged food. The store then pays our stockboy to put the packaged food on the shelf. Later a person buys that packaged food with their food stamps. The food stamps are nothing more than a voucher. The store agrees to participate in the program, and thus allows the person to leave the store with the food despite not yet receiving any money for that food. The store is latter monetarily reimbursued for the value of the food stamps. In this sense it is no different than the store redeeming a "free drink" coupon from a Coca-Cola promotion. And, of course, the food stamp program is funded by taxes which the food stamp recipient may or may not have paid into at one point or another.

It is completely different from a company coupon. The government is not a company. This does not stimulate the economy. The customers are taking stores products. The government is giving money to the stores, which it took from the American people. Everyone has less. And if it grows more people will have less.