[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Super-Mario-Fan"]Right, but I assumed everyone knew where the energy comes from. That's interesting. Then I come to the question of how much CO2 did the industry of that time pollute and how much is polluted today? I mean there had to been a ton of combustion, perhaps more than today, from all of the steam engines, right? The graphs describe probably go up in a slope. So even now with the EPA regulations the charts show no discrepancy. Back then, the pollution produced per capita in England and the US was far far worse. However, in the 20th century, and continuing into the 21st century, we've seen fossil fuel use become a global problem. China and India are comsuming more oil than ever, and even with cleaner methods to burn that oil, it won't make a difference if it is offset by the larger amounts of oil that is getting burned. So while it is getting much better on a per capita basis, it's not getting any better on an overall basis. You can blame the rising world population on that. Looks like the only solution is a war with China and India.Right, but you forget to factor in the sun, which provides energy for the CO2. And when you have more of it, you get more heat produced. Scienctists have sampled ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica, and have found a stable pattern of 200 ppm CO2 from 10,000 years ago until the 19th century (the industrial revolution). After that, the rates steadily climbed. Today, that figure is nearly doubled at 400 ppm. Coincidence? I think not.
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CO2 absorbs energy because of the carbon atom. The atom bounces between the two oxygen atom. That makes friction and heat is produced until it looses it's energy and then does it again when it gets more. But so what?[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Super-Mario-Fan"]
It's pretty simple, actually.
Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas. It traps heat. Humans drive cars, fly planes, and still burn fossil fuels, which in turn release more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Of course, most of the CO2 made naturally by organisms (ex. breathing) gets abosrbed by plants and alage, producing oxygen. However, in the last 100 years or so, we've tipped the balance in CO2's favor with our fossil fuels. Too much CO2 getting released. Not enough of it getting abosrbed back into the Earth.
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Right, but you forget to factor in the sun, which provides energy for the CO2. And when you have more of it, you get more heat produced. Scienctists have sampled ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica, and have found a stable pattern of 200 ppm CO2 from 10,000 years ago until the 19th century (the industrial revolution). After that, the rates steadily climbed. Today, that figure is nearly doubled at 400 ppm. Coincidence? I think not.
Right, but I assumed everyone knew where the energy comes from. That's interesting. Then I come to the question of how much CO2 did the industry of that time pollute and how much is polluted today? I mean there had to been a ton of combustion, perhaps more than today, from all of the steam engines, right? The graphs describe probably go up in a slope. So even now with the EPA regulations the charts show no discrepancy.[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]I would just prefer that these regs go through congress rather a regulatory agency with too much power.DaBrainzIt should to try and at least be fair or get a discussion on it. What is going to happen when the EPA turns to residential zones? Fire places, and pits are illegal? Wouldn't doubt it, they are already using the same drones as the military to spy on farmers. Farmers? Or people who can survive on their own, without the help of towns/cities. Well, I guess farmers then. lol... It's not funny.
I would just prefer that these regs go through congress rather a regulatory agency with too much power.DaBrainzIt should to try and at least be fair or get a discussion on it. What is going to happen when the EPA turns to residential zones? Fire places, and pits are illegal?
Please enlighten me with your knowledge.[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="lx_theo"] lolSuper-Mario-Fan
It's pretty simple, actually.
Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas. It traps heat. Humans drive cars, fly planes, and still burn fossil fuels, which in turn release more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Of course, most of the CO2 made naturally by organisms (ex. breathing) gets abosrbed by plants and alage, producing oxygen. However, in the last 100 years or so, we've tipped the balance in CO2's favor with our fossil fuels. Too much CO2 getting released. Not enough of it getting abosrbed back into the Earth.
CO2 absorbs energy because of the carbon atom. The atom bounces between the two oxygen atom. That makes friction and heat is produced until it looses it's energy and then does it again when it gets more. But so what?It's pretty ignorant of you and others to just believe this stat of 97-98% of scientists, conducted by these several studies that found the same thing without having the curiosity to delve into it further. Ridiculous. And because there is a streamlined "fact" for you it's easier for an ignorant person to just say it is so. All what you've said is describing a true ignorance of believing what some studies have found, without looking into some background.Thread title doesn't make sense, nor does the original post. If you want a list of scientists, you'll have to contact the publishers of all the scientific journals that have included papers that suuport the idea of anthropogenic global warming.
Or you could spend countless hours in the library of a large university finding those papers. Either way, I'm sure it's easier for you just to say that since there isn't a streamlined list for you, it doesn't actually exist and there isn't a consensus at all.
Ignorance must be bliss.
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I mention a list because I did find one, but the stupid person that I am didn't bookmark the page. But I do remember this name, Paul Ralph Ehrlich. He was on this list. He believes that the human world population is too large and in order to survive we must stop our own growth.
I just found this page, which falsely states that Ehrlich was a presidential adviser on the environment. Although Ehrilich co-authored a book with the new senior adviser of science and technology to President Obama, John Holdren, titled The Population Bomb. Holdren, a senior adviser to the president of the United States thinks overpopulation is an issue. Yikes!
Anyways the United Nations page is about the US not acting as a leader in human controlled climate change. But I can't just trust this UN article because the EPA has the ear of federal judges. If the world accepts we are responsible for the warming of the Earth and follows climate changing protocol two things will happen. One nothing, because humans don't have an affect on climate change, and two another measure must be taken. This extra step is population control.
My ignorance to you.
[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Serraph105"]Anthropogenic* global warming scientists consensus. We had a mild winter. An extreme St. Patrick's week of 80 degree weather that's screwed up a lot of crops and just vegetation in general. Weird weather. right, like I said this is just random completely unrelated news. Unless you have some sort of problem with me saying it's unrelated. Do you? The main reason I responded was to point out that it's not a consensus of global warming, but the interaction of humans that is causing an increase to global warming. It's the misconception of people thinking other people are crazy for not believing in the planets own climate changes.Yeah I saw that the other day, but I didn't think it warranted a topic given the large consensus among scientists that Global Warming is actually happening.
In some random unrelated news the town I live in topped a 76 yearhigh today at 106 degrees Fahrenheit and it will be even hotter tomorrow. Also on a somewhat related note (but not to global warming I assure you) the crops here aren't doing so well this year on account of the lack of precipitation.
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[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="lx_theo"] Don't worry about it, it'll go right over your head.lx_theoYou're crazy. Feel free to tell yourself that if it fights off the demons. See. What did I just say? I'm not telling myself this, but everyone. I state my position and you state your position, which is
lollx_theo.
I agree. I think the age for everything 18 should be 21. Voting, prison, drugs, gambling, sex. I am also a Catholic.[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Looking at how 18 year old's seem to be to immature for sex I'd say it would be a bad idea. Brosephus_Rex
You are a bad person and a sh!tty Catholic (see: alcohol).
:lol: Good one.
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