[QUOTE="MikeCOD80"]One thing ive noticed time and time again in these forums is people saying that MGS is not a system seller! Ummm yea it is.. If MGS is not a system seller then what is?! Even when I play gears on xbox live and someone brings up the PS3 the first thing anyone says is "Man the only reason i want a PS3 is for MGS4 because that games looks awesome" Or even when im talking to casual gamers like at gamestop or something they say that MGS4 is the game they are most looking forward to and besides that, didnt MGS 2 sell like 5-6 million copies, yea I would definatley consider that a system seller.Nickman71

MGS3 sold 3.6 million, out of what 120 million PS2's?

Yeah, a system seller alright...

yea but your also forgetting one thing.. How many PS2 owners back when MGS 3 released, sure NOW the fanbase is over 120 million, but MGS 3 came out like 3-4 years ago

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I admit that im a hardcore 360 fan but I also have to admit that speaking as a hardcore 360 fan and someone that is a huge fan of online multiplayer games, 360s game line up so far for 2008 looks pretty weak.kingtito

Umm sure you are.......Sony fanboy

Your post speaks volumes for what you really are. No need trying to deny, you're fooling no one.

Can you please show me in the 360 bible where it says "Thou shall not point out the flaws of the company that your a fan of" I mean seriously dude, i call it how i see it and the fact remains that yes I love my 360 and play it daily but so far Microsoft has not announced any game to get really psyched up about for 2008. And i mean a HUGE game, like 2006 had Gears of war and this year will have Halo 3, what will 2008 bring is all im asking and by the way gamertag is Hallowed saint, add me.. We should hit up a game of gears sometime

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I admit that im a hardcore 360 fan but I also have to admit that speaking as a hardcore 360 fan and someone that is a huge fan of online multiplayer games, 360s game line up so far for 2008 looks pretty weak.kingtito

Ok i get it now.. So i guess since im a hardcore 360 fan i shouldnt be concerned whatsoever that MS has been keeping the customers in the dark on what to look forward to in 2008?! I mean yea i love my 360 with a passion but lets face it, as a huge online multiplayer gamer, what is MS going to provide me with next year?! Sure Halo 3 will be great but whats next?!

Umm sure you are.......Sony fanboy

Your post speaks volumes for what you really are. No need trying to deny, you're fooling no one.

[QUOTE="MikeCOD80"]

[QUOTE="plainoldsam"]*shrug* Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden 2, Fable 2, Infinite Undiscovery, and Splinter Cell: Conviction are coming out next year too if it makes you feel any better..plainoldsam

lets face it man.. Do you honestly think the average gamer will take fable 2, splinter cell and lost odyssey over say.. MGS4, Killzone 2 and Gran turismo 5

but your forgetting one thing.. the 100 million PS2 owners that have not yet chosen a next gen console and will buy a PS3 for games such as Socom, MGS, Gran turismo etc especially next year when the PS3 will most likely be at a $349.99 price point

*shrug* Lost Odyssey, Ninja Gaiden 2, Fable 2, Infinite Undiscovery, and Splinter Cell: Conviction are coming out next year too if it makes you feel any better..plainoldsam

lets face it man.. Do you honestly think the average gamer will take fable 2, splinter cell and lost odyssey over say.. MGS4, Killzone 2 and Gran turismo 5

No one has anything in the bag. Can we at least wait until 2008 for these kinds of topics?Not-A-Stalker

Actually no i cant wait.. Why should I wait, if sony is so incompetent then howcome they can atleast give gamers a bright future game line up ahead of 2007 going into 2008, here we are at the end of september and all Microsoft has shown us so far is games we already know about and games that look average coming out next year.. Show me the real stuff, show me Gears of war 2 or a possible killer instinct not games they have already shown so many times such as Too human etc. So no i cant wait,if sony can give a good list of 2008 then why should microsoft wait

I admit that im a hardcore 360 fan but I also have to admit that speaking as a hardcore 360 fan and someone that is a huge fan of online multiplayer games, 360s game line up so far for 2008 looks pretty weak. Too Human, Banjo Threeie, Alan Wake and Halo Wars. None of those titles look that great. I mean dont get me wrong, they will be ok titles but definiatly not system sellers. As much as i HATE to say this because ive hated sony since the PS3 launch. But sony SO FAR has 2008 won by far. MGS4, Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5 are 3 titles alone that are true system sellers. Not to mention Tekken 6, Socom and White Knight story all coming out next year as well.

I mean sure its still kind of early but on the other hand Sony already has 2008 games planned and confirmed for next year and they are all 3 system sellers and amazing titles, so Microsoft my question is.. Yea Halo 3 will be amazing.. Again im in no way doubting all those 360 titles will be great, but they wont sell nearly as much as Gran Turismo 5, MGS4 and Killzone 2 will. Those 3 games just have way to much casual appeal compared to 360's Halo wars, Too human and Alan wake which are all niche type games

(Please note that im only comparing exclusive titles, not multiplats like GTA IV and Dark Sector, oh and by the way to prove im telling the truth about owning a 360, gamertag is Hallowed Saint)

I'm just gonna get both COD4 and Halo 3 and have a Merry Christmas. ButtonBacon

Oh me to... Man i gotta admit, my most anticipated game is Killzone 2 I just keep watching those gameplay Vids and just cant get over how amazing it is