Ok I just ran some numbers and this whole thing is completely impossible. Not just the 40 per day but even 10 per day is impossible.

Look there are some 70+ UPS stores in Kansas City KS alone:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=UPS&near=Kansas+City,+KS&fb=1&view=text&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=1&ct=more-results&cd=1

I didn't total it up exactly but it's at least 70. Ok there are over 3 million people who live in Kansas City. That's 1 UPS store for every 42,857 people.

There are 301 million people who live in the whole US. If we assume that the same ratio of people to UPS stores is in the whole US there would be 7023 UPS stores in the US.

Now taking the numbers provided of 10 360's per day times say 240 days (remove some days for holidays) that's 2,400 360's for each store per year. 2,400x7023 = 16,855,200 per year.

Ok there have been about 9.5 million 360's sold in the US to date. That means that every single 360 in the US is getting returned by UPS twice per year. Sorry folks the numbers are not correct.

Firelore29

you need to have an avarage based on population and owners, and how many of those broke, sayng every single ups of the united states gets 40 360s a day its impossible and no one is going to debate that, you didnt even had to do the math to figure this out...

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="grimhope"]

I agree that is ALOT of 360's, and i could definatly see 10-15 a day in a bigger area like coral springs.

At the same time I think its pretty obvious that the guy who told you 40 PER DAY was full of Crap.

Maby he was just exaggerating and said 40 as a generalization, as in he was trying to get the point across that he sees ALOT of 360's come through his store.

grimhope

Agreed. That's way above what I'm hearing from other stores. Unless his store is a favorite, he's not seeing that many. but the area in general appears to be generating something on the order of nearly 100 dead 360's/day.

Ugh.

Yep, it really is inexcusable wether its 10 a day or 40. I love my 360, but i just dont understand how microsofts quality control didnt catch this obviously widespread problem before they released the system.

Or worse yet, maby they did catch it and just didnt care:twisted:

they probly did, pretended they didnt know for a while so people would buy more then one system, then once the issue became popular they offered the warranty, this is m$ we are talking about afterall i dont think they did that, but i woudnt be surprised if they did

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="effthat"]So there is the possibility tha an outdated rig is overlooked. There is no indication of when a rig is truely outdated. There is still the constant upgrading required in order to keep up with the times. Your example of gears and the xbox isn't a fair comparison either. The console world is built around particular consoles. It's common knowledge and standard throughout the industry that a game works on the console that it is clearly created for. You know that when you buy mass effect that it will work on any 360(as long as the 360 itself works) and that it won't work on any other console.You essentially took what I said and told me again, only adding a nice sprinkling of negativity.effthat

The pitfall isn't that you need to eventually upgrade. It's that there isn't a clear distinction. It's that I'd rather not spend the first half hour I spend on a new game deciding where to put the graphics scale so that I can get the most enjoyment. It's that console games are always played at the highest graphical levels possible as a default.

The console industry is dictated by the systems. The PC industry is dictated by the games. Both are great choices, but they are very different. The consumer needs to weigh the good and bad of both and find the one that works best for them. Personally, I don't want to put forth the effort to build a custom rig and I don't want to worry about future proofing and making sure that the hardware I have works well together or how the newest hardware costs the most and has higher failure rates.

I'm a console gamer because it's quick and easy. The benefits of using a console outweigh the cons of not being on a computer. That being said, the gaming experience on a PC is profoundly better and there are often times that I get a twinge of jealousy for particular games. I can only hope that Starcraft 2 will play on my work laptop. I also would love to have a swing at The Witcher. Right now, I play WoW on the lowest settings and still get some pretty laggy nights even with a solid connection. The FPS just drops off. Let's be honest, WoW isn't horribly demanding. It still gets annoying when I freeze in front of a lower lvl beast and reappear a minute later in the nearest graveyard.

i agree with most things you said,but 30 minutes to adjust game settings??? most games have auto-detect features, that should be more then enough for people who are used to console standard of not having to configure your game.

and you just need to upgrade if you want to go to "next-gen" or to keep the graphics on very high, its the same thing as having to buy the next xbox or playstatoin, other then that you made good points.

also a pc/laptop that can run wow isnt very expensive these days(400-600rig should be enough, laptops are crazy expensive since you cant build them),

on a side note if your planning to run SC2 your probly going to need an upgrade once the game comes out, its probly going to be more demanding then WoW, but less demanding then The witcher(honest guess)

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="Me_Ann"]

got better graphics already(and for the next 4-5 years before next gen console hits), and can handle most type/genre of games? No Im not bashing the console but I figured most who makes good points are actually fanboys(albeit extreme), and here, more will reply...

Oh and easier connection/online capabilities. So is there even a point owning a console right now if one have a very good PC?

xscrapzx

Well here is my opinion. I choose a console over the PC because I like it better. I don't care what anyone says, yes you can get good prices on PCs, and you get them cheaper by building your own, but you are still spending more money to play games on a pc. Not only that there are constant upgrades to hardware and software, and Ifix PCs everyday for my job and to be honest I just don't want to sit in front of one when I get home. I like the comfort of sitting back and just playing games on my tv. Not only that I know a lot more people that play on consoles then PCs. So just with those two facts I feel as though consoles are a better choice for me. Not say you can't sit back comfortably in a leather computer chair with a nasty setup on your computer, but I just don't have the patience nor the motivation to build a system to game on. I guess when all you do for 8 hours a day is repair computers, the last thing you want to do when you get home is play on one.

1 my last upgrade was in july 2006 and I can still run new games better than either console, so tell me how that's constant upgrades

2 here in nz console games $100-$130nzd while pc games $80-$100 or $65 if bought through steam and that means, that's at least $300 saved each year, so yes the hardwarecosts a bit more but for the extra costs of console games I could buy a new midrange graphics card every year or over 2 year the amount saved on games = highend gpu so tell me how console gaming is cheaper in the long run?

3 you can play a pc on a hdtv with a controler sitting on your couch

4 I don't have the patience to wait weeks for ms/sony to fixyour broken console when they break when pc's are way more reliable and you can easily fix just about any problem yourself. the 2-3 weeks I went withoutmy ps2 in 2004 and the $180nzd for a 4x dvd readerpretty much killed console "convencie" for me

There is a differecne between fixing them and playing on them

Well hey last time I checked PC's have hardware and operating issues just as much if not even more than consoles, because if that was not the case then I don't think I would have a job. A question?!?!? Why the hell is it so hard for hemits just to relize thats it not this hate I have towards computers? becaues I love them, I just choose to play on a damn console why is this so insulting to you people. I play on a console because I like them, you play on a pc because you like them. Why can't it just be left at that, why does it have to be this big long drawn out thing, of you trying to convince me to play games on a PC other than console. Also trying to explain to me about the pricing of PC hardware when I know all there is to the price benefits of newegg or any other store for that matter. Please enough is enough I play on a console because I like it, because all the people I KNOW, maybe not you(you might have a good amount of friends that play on PC) that have a 360 and play online. So please I'm tired of "oh you can get a pc cheaper", oh 360 has hardware issues" Im sick of it, I haven't had any issues, and I gaurentee that there are more hardware issues with a PC, than a console.

if you rather play on consoles then pc after having played and expericienced both, and still rather play on a console then theres nothing else to say, its your opinion, but most console gamers try to diss pc gaming by using bold and ignorant statments as if they were facts, espcially here on SW, thats why pc gamers make so many points when replyng back

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="Me_Ann"]

got better graphics already(and for the next 4-5 years before next gen console hits), and can handle most type/genre of games? No Im not bashing the console but I figured most who makes good points are actually fanboys(albeit extreme), and here, more will reply...

Oh and easier connection/online capabilities. So is there even a point owning a console right now if one have a very good PC?

VladTheImpaler

Well here is my opinion. I choose a console over the PC because I like it better. I don't care what anyone says, yes you can get good prices on PCs, and you get them cheaper by building your own, but you are still spending more money to play games on a pc. Not only that there are constant upgrades to hardware and software, and Ifix PCs everyday for my job and to be honest I just don't want to sit in front of one when I get home. I like the comfort of sitting back and just playing games on my tv. Not only that I know a lot more people that play on consoles then PCs. So just with those two facts I feel as though consoles are a better choice for me. Not say you can't sit back comfortably in a leather computer chair with a nasty setup on your computer, but I just don't have the patience nor the motivation to build a system to game on. I guess when all you do for 8 hours a day is repair computers, the last thing you want to do when you get home is play on one.

I agree. For people like me who just have an average knowledge of computers building one is out of the question. Please PC people, don't tell me that you can get an affordable PC that will play games like Crysis at their full potential because you can't. Yes you can get an affordable computer to play most games, however my xbox plays every game made for it without buying new parts or having to turning down the Graphical preformance.

then you have below avarage about computers, because i consider myself in being completly uninformed and lacking information about hardware components, yet i can assemble them wity ease, its easyer then most complex Lego models that a 6 year old would have maybe a little trouble putting the pieces toghether, if you like console better fine, but dont pull flawed excuses out of thin air about something you dont understand or never tryed to do, building a pc is easy and anyone with at least an arm and 3 fingers can do it

[QUOTE="Mizarus"]

good exclusive games that wont come to pc

/thread

Demetri_OS

Like how Halo won't come to the PS3? Or God Of War to the 360? This is the WORST point ever.

yes exactly like that, 360 is worth owning because has games that dont come out on ps3, ps3 has games that dont come out for 360, every system is worthy, you just made my point

[QUOTE="Me_Ann"]

got better graphics already(and for the next 4-5 years before next gen console hits), and can handle most type/genre of games? No Im not bashing the console but I figured most who makes good points are actually fanboys(albeit extreme), and here, more will reply...

Oh and easier connection/online capabilities. So is there even a point owning a console right now if one have a very good PC?

krunkfu2

one name unfrotunately ruins your entire arguement

Wii

Pc had no motion sensing controls

yet, it can use the wiimote...

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Then they'd be PCs.Vandalvideo

Yep. But here's the ideal, you advertisement as 'something new' and 'advance PC gaming features now made easy!" It would be a sub-PC that can't do anything but playgame. It own games would be exactly like PC games only with a few twinks programing andlabeled as a (console) game. The middle schoolers would never know their being ripped off. :P Think about it. ;) It could bring more people into PC gmaing when they get bored of the console.

videogames these days are pc's in disguise already, but most fanboys havent really noticed that yet, iam really curious to see how next gen will be like, if it keep up on this pace, next gen consoles will be something like

Playlienware

X-Box Dell Edition

Nintendo Accer

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Polaris_choice"]Consoles are less hassel , get much more performance for the price and they have differnt types of games that appeal toward people. Those are all valid reasons to choose a console over a pc. Polaris_choice

You can go balls out and no you are not gonna get graphics a genration ahead. A genration for consoles is 4 to 5 years. There is no pc you can buy now thats going to touch what the next consoles do(PS4 ,xbox720 orwhatever they call them). And you want to talk about hassel as disk swapping vs installing being the only differnce? What about upgrading drivers for specific parts( custome made pc's especially) or virus protectin something consoles dont even have to worry about. Or the effort to avoid those who use cheat and hack programs on online games( another thing console gamers dont worry about) As for the last one PREFERENCE thats reallly what it all comes down to in the end anyways so why hermits continue to make these threads really amazes me.

accuatly see what pc's can render using 3d editors, no game right now has those graphics but its amazing

http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/gallery/images/

pcs might not have graphics that match those ps4,720,wii2 games, but they are already on development,ON PC's, those games that take 4-10 years to develop, end up on consoles but start on pc. and if a console can handle it, a pc will be able to do better since dosent have such strict hardware limits