Can anyone recommend any decent punk (most definately not pop-punk) bands?

A brief list of ones I listen to:

Rancid

The Exploited

Dead Kennedys

Sex Pistols

Agent Orange

The Clash

Bad Religion

I'm sorry, but claiming that only the new testament is relevent for Christians is pretty hard to justify. Jesus was jewish, he claimed to be the jewish messiah. Luke's Gospel specifically states that Jesus was circumcised, therefore he followed jewish law. Christianity is really just a sect of Judaism, the key difference to the myriad of others claiming that X was the messiah in that it allowed gentiles to convert. There is very little that Jesus says to contradict anything in the old testament, most of the laws he breaks are those that were imposed by the priests with very little justification in the scriptures.

Also, Jesus was never believed to fix God's mistake, but rather he was a "last chance saloon" for salvation, after the repeated violations of God's covenant with Abraham.

If you like manga, you could do a lot worse than read the Battle Royale series.

I am currently reading this thing of darkness, about the life of Commander Robert FitzRoy, Comander of the Beagle, for those that don't know. Easily one of the best books I have ever read.

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[QUOTE="verparanoidpers"] alright decessus, If I killed a person because I said you told me to, would that make you responsible?xxDustmanxx

Of course not, but I am not a system of beliefs. Religion is.

No it wouldnt,the fault would be yours.

I concur. How can anything be blamed because people misenterpret it? I mean to say that evolution says nothing about ethics; any influence is from the reader alone, so he /she is naturally culpable.

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Oh, so most of them are only helping people murder others; that makes a lot of difference.

tekmojo

Let me guess, you're the type of person that protests at dead soldier's funerals.

I'll accept that I am rather radical in my views but most of the blame doesn't rest on the individual soldiers but the people who started the wars in the first place and force-fed the masses patriotism until some started believing it enough to kill others.

Oh, so most of them are only helping people murder others; that makes a lot of difference.

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I see your point,But then don't you think you creator would try its hardest to correct the misunderstanding rather than sit back relax,and wait for some bodies to end up in dumpster in downtown new-york city?

Dracargen

Why God lets bad things happen, I don't know, but that doesn't mean bad things can't happen for good reasons.

Hypothetical: A terrorist is taking a bus to the airport, where he plans to kill thousands of people with a bomb. On the way, the bus crashes, killing a dozen people, including the terrorist. Now:

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

A dozen people died, but so did a terrorist, who would have killed thousands if given the chance.

Why do some parents let their kids get chickenpox? So that they don't get a lethal dose of it when they're older.

Nomatter what,the killing of people isnt justified,you think you can run around saying people die cause god thinks they should,so people will learn a lesson.What kind of all powerful loving being is that?

Im sorry the gods written in mans books are all false,until we find out the truth people need to stop jumping to conclusions.

Why is it never justified?

You would not kill to save your own life?

You would not kill to save the life of a loved one?

Why is it not unjustified? Because it;s an uncomfortable concept?

What's worse: The death of a few, or the death of thousands?

Would God be better if He didn't kill anybody, and just let people who would kill do their thing?

I don't see anybody jumping to conclusions except you. You jumped to the conclusion that all gods in boks are false.;)

I think Christiansbelieve in a little thing called free will.