Why isn't your girlfriend getting financial aide/getting stuff herself? It's the 21st century, women are powerful and independent and are capable of taking care of themselves. :lol:

With that being said, I think the difference in price is mostly the drivers, which cost a lot more to develop per unit sold than the geforce series.

You could try and buy a quaddro off of ebay for a decent bit, the software may or may not work on your card, you might want to check specialized forums for the answer to that.

[QUOTE="evildead6789"][QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

Lol you said it was hard question before in this topic. Besides we didnt know if a 1 line answer like this was going to answer his vague 1 line question so an argument broke out b.c op was mia until he gave the feedback that my question was answered. Also I was not replying to your post.

roulettethedog

No it is not a hard question. A sub- par G.P.U. is not bottle-necking. Putting a GTX 580 in a P.C. with an old Pentium C.P.U. is bottle-necking.

That type of thinking is what causes people to dump 300 bucks on a cpu and 30 bucks on a GPU, then we get about 10,000 questions about why their 2600k and geforce 210 isn't playing games well.

I have a few headless servers, web, file, etc. They don't even use a GPU for anything ever.

However, when you are on a PC hardware forum on a gaming website, the GPU (graphics card) sure as hell can cause a bottleneck in performance from day to day tasks and especially games.

Go ahead and try it out, get an old motherboard with really bad integrated graphics, with a decent cpu , play some videos, etc, notice the slide show. Now stick in a decent graphics card and notice that performance has increased dramatically.

Which peice of hardware that is a bottleneck is determined by the application you are using.

On my servers, GPUs can't be a bottleneck because they aren't even used. On my gaming rig it sure as hell can because it is the component that is utilized the most heavily.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

I can't help that you guys use a different definition than we use here in silicon valley.

ossama224

Oh please don't tell me you work and contribute on what the rest of the world uses, because if you do we are all f*cked.

Why is that? His was a pretty typical response of someone who works in IT. User asks a question, but it is pretty clear they don't understand what they are asking so he answered the question that you probably meant to ask instead of explaining to you that your question was actually pretty worthless.

Honestly, your OP was not very clear and just about as general as is possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottleneck

the 4850 is indeed a bottleneck

"A bottleneck is a phenomenon where the performance or capacity of an entire system is limited by a single or limited number of components or resources."

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

The problem is 04 doesn't understand that the meaning he says doesn't exist does in fact exist.

He does not get to pick the meaning of words and he doesn't understand that words can have multiple meanings. One of the meanings of bottleneck is the part in a computer system that prevents the total performance from being at its maximum potential.

He's not looking at the system as a whole, he is only focusing on one small part, his strength in abstraction is weak, basically he is looking at a tree saying it isn't a forest when if he took a few steps back from the tree he would see that it is in fact a tree inside a forest. This is actually pretty typical with people on the spectrum, focusing on one small detail while ignoring the whole.

04dcarraher

*edit*

Also with the basic and vague term of bottlenecking some of you are using would mean that any other strong gpu along with an i5 2500k would be bottlenecking the same system since there are always faster gpus then the gpu stated because the cpu can handle a faster gpu. Just because its weaker and will not allow better performance *compared* to another gpu does not mean bottlenecking. Bottelnecking means more then just the weakest part there has to be a restriction and waiting for data to be processed before it is an actual bottleneck.

No, in english in common usage, bottlenecking in fact can mean "the weakest part"

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

The problem is 04 doesn't understand that the meaning he says doesn't exist does in fact exist.

He does not get to pick the meaning of words and he doesn't understand that words can have multiple meanings. One of the meanings of bottleneck is the part in a computer system that prevents the total performance from being at its maximum potential.

He's not looking at the system as a whole, he is only focusing on one small part, his strength in abstraction is weak, basically he is looking at a tree saying it isn't a forest when if he took a few steps back from the tree he would see that it is in fact a tree inside a forest. This is actually pretty typical with people on the spectrum, focusing on one small detail while ignoring the whole.

04dcarraher

You need to look at the context of the question (read between the lines). He posted on a gaming website in the PC hardware forum. He wants to know if the 2500k and 4850 is a mismatch. It doesn't matter what he said, what matters is what he meant and that is exactly what he meant.

So to simplify he really asked "I have a computer with a 2500k and 4850 (or looking to upgrade to this combination), is the 4850 holding me back?"

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

*ahem* Someone's bias towards AMD is showing too much in the title...*ahem*.

Anyway, it seems about equal in performance to the 580, while being priced the same and being cooler and burning less. That's good news, though I wish it was priced even more aggresively, maybe 50$ less than the 580. I can see it dropping to about 350 when Kepler comes around though.

Still, I had hoped it beat the 580, even by a small margin. I really wanted AMD to crush Nvidia, so I can get a second 580 cheap.

All that said, should we really be comparing a 40nm card based on 2 year old technology with a brand new 28nm chip?

And if Nvidias claims are true about Kepler's mid range outperforming the 7970 for 299$...things could get really interesting.

ionusX

As long as they are competitors, yes.

fun fact you can only compare results from competitors THAT ACTUALLY COMPETED so unless you have a gk104 review i can see RIGHT NOW. your the delusional one

id also like to point out that the gk104 is the sister flag meaning its the gtx 670 if you will. meaning that a tdp of 225 is actually WORSE than before by a small margin (tdp of a 570 was 219 or so)

Reading comprehension fail. he was agreeing with you.

The problem is 04 doesn't understand that the meaning he says doesn't exist does in fact exist.

He does not get to pick the meaning of words and he doesn't understand that words can have multiple meanings. One of the meanings of bottleneck is the part in a computer system that prevents the total performance from being at its maximum potential.

He's not looking at the system as a whole, he is only focusing on one small part, his strength in abstraction is weak, basically he is looking at a tree saying it isn't a forest when if he took a few steps back from the tree he would see that it is in fact a tree inside a forest. This is actually pretty typical with people on the spectrum, focusing on one small detail while ignoring the whole.

Case and PSU are some of the components that you shouldn't skimp on as they will typically outlast most of your other parts.

I'm gonna regret the decision to enter this fray but here's my two cents:

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]the Cpu is not dependent upon the gpu however the gpu is dependent upon the cpu. kaitanuvax

This guy /thread'ed this thread a million years ago.

The problem with that response is that it only shows a superficial textbook "I learned this in computer science 101 class" understanding.

1) When a user asks you a question, you need to hear what they mean, not what they say as most of the time they are not the same.

2) You need to look at a computer as a chain, whereas the bottleneck would be what we consider the weakest link.

3) The OP only gave us 2 links in the chain to compare and out of the 2 the 4850 is by far the weakest. (Comparing a 3 generation old mid-top tier card vs newest generation near top tier cpu, in an era that people keep CPUs for 4+ years and GPUs become outdated in 2)

When you look at his question deeper, being in the way he meant, the state of technology as it relates to gaming, and evaluating what the limiting factor would be, you cannot come to any other conclusion than yes.

Anybody who says there is not a bottleneck is playing the semantics game or doesn't understand the subject.