The reason that the newegg prices are so high is because of the realtime pricing engine, basically it starts charging for more for porducts that are selling well.

For a few items, I noticed that fry's had better prices as they were sticking to the msrp while newegg didn't.

It's a great card based on it's performance relative to AMD's previous 6950, but if you are rockin a GTX 580 3gb or 6970 already then there's no reason to buy it. If you are going from a GTX 570 or lower card then it makes more sense. You could even justify buying it going from a GTX 580 1.5gb if you are into multimonitor setups. I think they need to price it a little more agressively if they really want to sell this card, 75.00-100.00 less would make this "the card to get".

retrogamer1971

Pretty spot on, except the 6970 and 570 are roughly equivalent. So I would categorize 570+/6970+ don't worry about it.

Finally smart people are entering this thread.

And the thing is people who aren't claiming there is a bottleneck are the people who way overspend on processors and end up with a gts 250 or 210. "There's no bottleneck because the cpu bla bla bla, here this is my mega unbalanced system"

It's such a bad way to look at it, and it is even worse to try and perpetuate that idea because then we are going to get god knows how many "I have a 2500k and geforce 210 y it no play gaems"

bueno

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So anytime your computer can't play a game due to a weak graphics card, you should upgrade your CPU then? Makes sense

red12355

So it's pretty much a difference of semantics. But if OP's question is interpreted literally, then no, the 4850 will not bottleneck the i5-2500.

And if you interpret it properly, then yes it will. Because this question has been asked since the beginning of time and they always mean will my graphics card be holding me back in games.

So anytime your computer can't play a game due to a weak graphics card, you should upgrade your CPU then? Makes sense

LMAO :lol: From your name I can tell you are definitely from the middle east or around Pakistan, hell maybe even Bosnia. I understand your post.GazaAli

Enlighten us.

Wow talk about tower of Babylon.
Each poster here is using a different meaning to the word bottleneck.

If you take OP's question literally – of course the GPU can't bottleneck the CPU, since it's not dependent on it for normal operation. You can run any CPU intensive task even with the iGPU and nothing will be affected.

But, a bottleneck is defined as a part or parts that limit the system as a whole, i.e. limit the performance of the entire system. And since this is a hardware section of a gaming website I assume the OP is gaming with his computer. In that regard, the GPU is a bottleneck for the entire system, since everything else has to wait for it. It is the weakest part the computer.
Games don't run at 60FPS because the GPU can't process data fast enough, in the meantime the CPU is not utilized 100% (less than optimal for performance).

Saying that the GPU is not a bottleneck to the CPU because the CPU can do other things is oversimplification of the term. One could argue that the GPU is not a bottleneck for the computer since it can run Prime95 without problems (the GPU will not affect the speed of the calculations). You need to look at the performance of all the parts for a specific scenario and not generally.

When asked if a part is a bottleneck, the said part has to be utilized to check if it a bottleneck.
It's like arguing that a HD4850 is not a bottleneck for copying files from drive c to drive d.
Of course not, since it has nothing to do with it.
To check for a bottleneck you need a scenario where both parts are needed, and see which part limit the performance of the entire system. In games at normal resolutions, generally the GPU will limit the performance.

foggy666

Finally someone else that gets it. I was actually waiting for one of them to say "If anything the harddrive is the bottleneck since it is the slowest part of the system" When in actuality the harddrive is only used in loading and not the actual gameplay.

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(bot´&l nek´´) (n.) The delay in transmission of data through the circuits of a computer's microprocessor or over a TCP/IP network. The delay typically occurs when a system's bandwidth cannot support the amount of information being relayed at the speed it is being processed. There are, however, many factors that can create a bottleneck in a system.

A slow GPU is not limiting the data flowing through a CPU. A slow CPU will limit the data flowing to a high end GPU.

04dcarraher

Your understanding of hardware and terminology is bottlenecking your posting.

OD is right. And there's a difference between a bottleneck and having an outdated card. If he were to upgrade to say something like a 6950, that doesn't mean his 4850 was bottlenecking him. It means he upgraded to newer, faster tech. Same as people who upgraded from Core 2 Quad to the i5/i7 series and saw better performance. It doesn't mean their Core 2 Quad was bottlenecking them (unless they were running some insane GPU setup). It means they upgraded to faster, more modern tech. gmaster456

That's exactly what it means. If it was holding you back, it was bottlenecking you. That is literally what bottleneck means. Next time you open up a beer, pour it out and take note of the fact that the "bottleneck" is restraining all the liquid from falling out at once.