[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

1) 04 keeps referring to the 4870 when it is actually the 4850 in question

1a) This brings his critical thinking into question especially since he is getting corrected and he keeps using the wrong card.

2) He is using the wrong definition of the word.

2a) There are multiple meaning words, meaning that you can apply the same word to different situations and they will actually mean different things.

2b) 04 is using the more basic non-specific meaning of the word, which is not the meaning used when referring to computer hardware.

3) In computer hardware a bottleneck is ONLY the slowest performing part that you have for that situation.

4) In the current generation, especially at higher resolutions the GPU is going to be the bottleneck 90% of the time. You see this when people run tests at super high resolutions, and whatever gpu you are testing gets the exact same frame rate no matter what CPU they are paired with.

So to sum up: 04 is wrong and keeps arguing, not over if there is a bottleneck or not, but the fact that a bottleneck can exist. Which it can, and there are hundreds of articles to back that up.

So to 04, you are the minority here, the onus is on you to prove your point, get us an article saying what you are saying or stop posting because you are seriously misinforming people who are actually trying to learn.

04dcarraher

Big whoop 4850 4870 whatever its still the same idea. As long as you learned that there is proper usage in the word bottleneck then just saying a certain item is just weaker. We are all here to help out and learn and I hope you learn the difference.

"because I said so" is not a good retort

1) 04 keeps referring to the 4870 when it is actually the 4850 in question

1a) This brings his critical thinking into question especially since he is getting corrected and he keeps using the wrong card.

2) He is using the wrong definition of the word.

2a) There are multiple meaning words, meaning that you can apply the same word to different situations and they will actually mean different things.

2b) 04 is using the more basic non-specific meaning of the word, which is not the meaning used when referring to computer hardware.

3) In computer hardware a bottleneck is ONLY the slowest performing part that you have for that situation.

4) In the current generation, especially at higher resolutions the GPU is going to be the bottleneck 90% of the time. You see this when people run tests at super high resolutions, and whatever gpu you are testing gets the exact same frame rate no matter what CPU they are paired with.

So to sum up: 04 is wrong and keeps arguing, not over if there is a bottleneck or not, but the fact that a bottleneck can exist. Which it can, and there are hundreds of articles to back that up.

So to 04, you are the minority here, the onus is on you to prove your point, get us an article saying what you are saying or stop posting because you are seriously misinforming people who are actually trying to learn.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Please..... A slower gpu is not limiting the cpu from doing its job and or operating normally whats so ever..... that's not a true bottleneck as in preventing the system in running 100% aka normally. Then every GPU below GTX 580 is a bottleneck preventing the cpu from operating normally.... Like I said I do see where someone can think that the 4870 is a bottleneck because with gaming system it is the weakest part between the two.04dcarraher

Which would hold the gameplay back as it wouls stutter like crap in something like Crysis 2, whereas a GTX580 or something wouldnt, therefore the 4870 is a bottleneck to the higher spec CPU.

Except for the fact that with a 4850 (not 4870) will perform identically in 99% of all games when paired with a 50 dollar cpu or a 1000 dollar cpu, therefore, yes it is a bottleneck.

Bottlenecking is more then just the weakest part or limiting factor in a system in a computer aka the slowest part. Bottlenecking also refers to a item or items not receiving or transmitting enough data to the rest of the system fluidly causing an item or items from not operating correctly or fully, As I said that 4870 is not a true bottleneck to that i5 because it is not limiting that i5 from communicating data to the rest of the system and to the gpu. 04dcarraher

Wrong. Bottleneck simply means just the part the is slowing things down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottleneck

[QUOTE="spittis"]^^
They are readings at the wall outlet.

And no way is your card using +200W idle.Snaptrap

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2010/12/16/ati-radeon-hd-6950-review/10

WOW

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="Snaptrap"] They can which is why you only use them to suck up the dust that you blow off with compressed air.Snaptrap

No one listen to snaptrap as he is trying to get you to zap your computer and fry all your stuff.

Maybe next he'll say he's using the swiffer static edition to pull the dust out.

I take my computer outside when I spray it with a can of air like any smart person would do.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

I've heard that vacuums can build up static and fry your parts while you're cleaning them, I'd go with canned air if you don't have an oil free air compressor.

Snaptrap

No one listen to snaptrap as he is trying to get you to zap your computer and fry all your stuff.

Maybe next he'll say he's using the swiffer static edition to pull the dust out.

^^ They are readings at the wall outlet. And no way is your card using +200W idle.spittis

Especially since that's basically the max power draw for the card at load.

Idle your card should be pulling low double digits.

[QUOTE="CUDGEdave"]

IF you use your fingers get a anti static wrist band,Some say touch any metal part of your case but I'd rather be safe and use a wrist band.

hydralisk86

No, can of air, nothing else.

The big problem that people have is they don't factor in that when people get an 2500k or a 2600k they usually have to make some kind of compromise on the video card they buy. Yes intel processors are faster, but if you get a faster processor and you have to gimp yourself on the video card that defeats the whole purpose.

When you calculate total system cost you see people with AMD systems with a much stronger video card and a system with an OK CPU and a Monster GPU will outperform a Monster CPU and an OK GPU in 90% of the games out there.

for instance a 955/560Ti > 2600k/550Ti setup

There was a thread on here a few days ago with a guy got a 2500k/2600k with a geforce 210 and was wondering why performance was bad.

Not to mention at extremely large resolutions the GPU is the limiting factor not the CPU in nearly all games.