Controls are controls. They're not "hardcore" or "casual." They're our link to the game world. Placing attention on the controls is like trying to judge scenery based on the window frame you're looking through. It's misplaced.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]Graphics DO affect enjoyability. Imagine if BioShock or Dead Space had PS1 graphics. The gameplay wouldn't change, but the atmosphere would suffer and the games would be given lower ratings because the atmosphere made the games so appealing. Atmosphere is judged by sound effects, artstyle, and GRAPHICS. Gameplay does NOT affect atmosphere.ThePlothole

The first Silent Hill managed to create a very creepy atmosphere with PS1 graphics. A lot of that had to do with the gameplay.

Controls are controls. They're not "hardcore" or "casual." They're our link to the game world. Placing attention on the controls is like trying to judge scenery based on the window frame you're looking through. It's misplaced.

I voted graphics for teh lulz.

Vaasman

So in other words:

Nintendo announces motion controls = bad.

3 years later sony and MS announce motion controls = good.

Well until an actual 'hardcore' motion game comes out....it's casual. :D

Kiljoy66

Alot of people think that motion controllers are only good for casual games. Thats not true at all, because there no such thing as "casual hardware", since it is the SOFTWARE that determines whether a game is hardcore or not. Take a look at PC gamers... they use keyboard and mouse. Were keyboard/mouse ever designed for gaming at all? No, they were designed for general purpose things like word processing, editing pictures etc. But despite this, PC gaming is still hardcore because it is the SOFTWARE (not hardware) that determines whether a game is hardcore or not.

The reason why motion controllers are considered "casual-only" is because Nintendo markets them this way to appeal to non-gamers. But before you blame the Wiimote for making the Wii seem casual, ask yourself this: Was the GameCube a hardcore console? That system had no motion controllers at all, yet it was still treated as casual because the software (not the hardware) makes it so.

When Sony and MS join the motion control scene, they will have a different view from Nintendo. Sony has many first-party studios that WILL make some good hardcore games. Remember how Sony demonstrated on last year's E3 that the Arc Controller was good for RTS games? Well, RTS is an EXTREMELY hardcore genre, they can be far more intense and brain-straining than any shooting games. Try playing some hardcore RTS games like Company of Heroes or Empire: Total War and you'll see what I mean. RTS games are waaaaayyyy more hardcore than FPS games. If the PlayStation Arc can handle RTS games better than gamepads, then motion controllers are more hardcore than you think :)

Thoughts? :)

Both the iPad and the DSi XL are stupid. They're just oversized versions of the iPod Touch and the DSi.

I wouldn't be surprised though if Sony makes an oversized version of the PSP Go.

CS to me is more like run and gun. First to pop the other in the head wins.

djestar