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#1 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

But they only want to do so because Israel destroyed a muslim state to make a jewish one. Both sides aren't worth supporting imo, however one side does have a distinct advantage over the other.

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Israel did not make an Israeli state, a group of nations drew Israel up on a map after WWII blame Britain, America, and whoever else was involved. The past is over though, Israel is here to stay and until palestinians can accept that there will be no peace.

Can you really blame them, though? I mean here you have a bunch of guys who basically came in, shoved everyone off their land, put these new guys in here and said "OK, this is their country now", and now the people living on what you feel is your land say they just want peace. It would be kind of like someone coming into your house while you were away on vacation, changing all of your locks, and then when you try to get them to leave they tell you that they just want to live in that house in peace. Well that's all well and good, but as far as you're concerned it's still your damn house.

Of course, that doesn't excuse all of the nasty **** that the Palestineans have done to achieve this goal, but really, quite frankly I think both sides are simultaneously understandable and reprehensible.

honestly, no I can't blame them and they definitely got shafted here, and I do think that both deserve blame for not sucking up their pride and working out a peace deal, but Israel seems to be the one of the two that is looking forward for a peace as opposed to backward towards injustice from over 50 yrs ago. They may have that convenience seeing as they had no injustice done to them at that point (obviously besides the holocaust which is irrelevant to this conflict), but ultimately I blame the Palestinians for escalating the problem and making it worse for Israel and themselves. Again they can be pissed at Britain, but Israel was basically just doing what they were told for the initial phase that pissed Palestinians off so much (at least to my understanding). Ultimately, I think it is just best to blame the Romans for crushing the Jews in AD 70 causing the diaspora.
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#2 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="The_T-Ban"] I'm probably gonna get banned . but what the zionists **** did is a decleration of war .

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you shouldn't just be banned, you should be arrested

Arrested for what? Saying something on a forum? Give me a break.

The guy literally called for suicide bombings.I doubt he was being serious but that is never something to joke about especially in this day and age.

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#3 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="Plzhelpmelearn"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Ugh. Quite frankly, in my view, neither side in the Israel-Palestine conflict is worth supporting. They are both equally despicable. :P

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I have to disagree with you. Israel has done some despicable things, and I can sympathize with palestinians over their plight, but the fact remains that Israel's ultimate goal is to exist in peace and Hamas and other (not all) muslim nations' ultimate goal is to blow Israel off the map.

But they only want to do so because Israel destroyed a muslim state to make a jewish one. Both sides aren't worth supporting imo, however one side does have a distinct advantage over the other.

Israel did not make an Israeli state, a group of nations drew Israel up on a map after WWII blame Britain, America, and whoever else was involved. The past is over though, Israel is here to stay and until palestinians can accept that there will be no peace.
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Stay away from Gaza or face the consequences, they knowingly try to break the blockade and they're crying foul now. Why am I not surprised.Espada12

so they should have been killed? I always say no need to put yourself in such situations, but still you dont deserve to die for this. Jail is more than enough.

There is quite the double standard depending on who is doing what.

If American activist went into restricted areas and were gunned down by the military of the area (let's say Saudi Arabia) there would be outrage everywhere. However if Israel does it to palestinian activist, we condemn the activist for being there.

I think that is a valid point, nationalistic biases probably do play a role in our interpretation of these events. However, the only question in my mind is whether or not Israel used unnecessary amounts of force or in other words killed these people for other reasons other than their ow protection. I cannot justify it if they did, but there is probably no way to know at this point (unless it is on camera) so I can only point the finger at the ones who initiated the conflict in the first place.
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Ugh. Quite frankly, in my view, neither side in the Israel-Palestine conflict is worth supporting. They are both equally despicable. :P

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I have to disagree with you. Israel has done some despicable things, and I can sympathize with palestinians over their plight, but the fact remains that Israel's ultimate goal is to exist in peace and Hamas and other (not all) muslim nations' ultimate goal is to blow Israel off the map.
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#6 Plzhelpmelearn
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Stay away from Gaza or face the consequences, they knowingly try to break the blockade and they're crying foul now. Why am I not surprised.GazaAli
so they should have been killed? I always say no need to put yourself in such situations, but still you dont deserve to die for this. Jail is more than enough.

I still tend to want to give Israel the benefit of the doubt and think that those killed were at the very least attacking the soldiers. Otherwise, why not just kill everyone on board? Its easy to tell someone how they should act in potential life threatening situations, but it is another animal being in one.
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"Israeli marine commandos had opened fire after being attacked with axes and knives by a number of the passengers on board the aid ships, the television said, without giving the source of its information."

If this is true then they are even more justified...

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Oh really and knives and axes can go through bullet proof vests?????Plus they were commandos.Don't you think they could have DISARMED THEM WITHOUT KILLING THEM.

I don't know. It doesnt appear that they slaughtered everyone on board. Maybe some of them were serious threats. You ever have someone come at you full force with an axe? you'd prob shoot too.
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That seems like an initial report they are now saying they have taken the ships it appears and claiming that at least 2 have died. I think it is Israelis policy to not enter gaza if they dont have to, thus the blockade. They could probably just march in the and commit mass genocide if they wanted, but this is the tactic they have chosen. The fact is that boat ran right into an Israeli blockade knowing and expecting the consequences is their own problem, not Israel's. I dont like the loss of human life but here they backed israel into a corner and they had no choice. Espada12

Protestors always do such things to authority... the thing I am saying is that Israel could have taken the boats without killing anyone. I'd be pretty cautious going on those boats, but that doesn't mean I get trigger happy.

Again, this is an assumption, but it seems to me that Israel would have to be pretty stupid to kill a bunch of these people unless soldiers lives were at risk. I'm sure they don't want to needlessly harm their reputation in the world, which is already hurting after they freaked out on Hamas last time.
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#9 Plzhelpmelearn
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It must be easy to demand suicide bombings when you are not the one with a bomb strapped on, i'd imagine...

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#10 Plzhelpmelearn
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Israel's army radio said between 10 and 14 people had been killed in clashes which broke out after the passengers allegedly tried to grab weapons off the naval commandos who tried to storm one of the boats.