[QUOTE="zeldarooles"]I knew the real, clear news would come after the conferenceRuprechtMonkey

How is this real news?

Everyone has known about the new development since the Wii launched. They already said they are working on a new one.

Yep, it was confirmed long time ago. I guess they anounce it for the second time now... for +excitement :P

Out of sight, out of mind.

Can't be hyped for something we can't see.

Redmoonxl2

No Nintendo did not fail at E3, the consumers failed when they purchased the wii. CB4McGusto

Whahahaha :lol: Man your signature = win

I love Bond. Can't wait for Quantum of Solace ;)

What a pathetic conference. I mentioned this in another thread earlier. I mean its not as if nintendo had no games to talk about in their conference. imo if they had shown/demoed.

Warioland

Fatal Frame 4

Arc Rise Fantasia

Mad World

Tales of Symphonia

De Blob

and also announced animal crossing then their conference would have been equal to or better than microsofts and that is without megaton announcements. I believe that what nintendo has shown us today is where their priorities lie.

shutdown_202

Comparing those games to high profile games is laughable at best.

Diablo III anouncement > anything Nintendo has shown this E3.

I was expecting a Zelda teaser at least. And perhaps a donkey kong platformer?

Very dissapointing :/

As I see it, there are three types of games:

Casual games - Games that your mom would play. For example: Internet flash games and most of the popular stuff on Wii, Singstar and that sort of stuff. In short: Simple games with repetitive gameplay that are marketed to "non-gamers."

Mainstream games - Games that you can hear your typical teenager talking about. For example: Halo, Counter Strike. They are more complex than casual games, but not nearly as complex as Hardcore games.

Hardcore games - Games that are very complex, usually hard to get into and aimed to a certain dedicated fanbase, aka Cult games. For example: Deus Ex, Fallout (-3), Thief. These games are usually referred to as classics by the gaming community, and are often played many years after release, whereas mainstream games are replaced by more popular ones. These kind of games are often played exclusively by "Hardcore gamers", and often are ignored by the mainstream and have moderately poor sales.

What is a hardcore gamer then? Well, simply, hardcore gamer is a gamer that meets one, or usually more of these traits:

- Has been gaming for a long time.

- Has a large game collection.

- Playes games more than average hours per week.

- Enjoyes discussing about games on his free time.

HenriH-42

This.

PS: Nice signature. Civilization, S.T.A.L.K.E.R, System Shock, Deus Ex, Elder Scrolls Morrowind and excellent games.

Hardcore gamers only enjoy games with shooting, violence, explosions, blood and car crashes. They're HC because they play games a casual can't handle 8)ONLYDOD

Strategy games are hardcore. And so can be many more genres. Stop generalising, and don't post when you obviously don't know the real definition for hardcore gamer.

I don't understand all this whining from fanboys. If Nintendo's performance is so important to you, why didn't you support them during the last two generations? How can you possibly blame a company for changing their approach when their previous strategy of catering mostly to you, the core gamer, was leading them to last place, because YOU weren't supporting them? Afterall, Nintendo is a gaming COMPANY, out first and foremost to make money. It's just doing what it has to do to survive and thrive in the industry, and their current strategy is simply a product of the consumer's response to their previous strategy.

Nintendo can't afford to bleed away money on expensive hardware. With Sony and Microsoft as competition, they will simply lose that game every time. They also couldn't afford to let their fanbase dwindle away any more than it already had. So exactly what choice did they have? The way I see it, they only had two: gamble the way they did and succeed, or stick to their previous route and, in time, go the way of Sega. Again, how can you possibly blame them?

Blank1921

You make a valid point. But if you remember the SNES, it definitely was a succesfull system. Where exactly did they go wrong? Poor third party support.

If they invested some more energy and effort into more third-party support. We might have seen many potentially good games on the Wii.

Portal, Bioshock, Team Fortress 2, Mirrors Edge. Just to name a few games that would have perfectly fit Nintendo's new control scheme.

If this potential keeps going wasted, it makes me kinda sad.

Wii still doesn't have a proper online support. I was somehow hoping they anounced games without the so frustrating friend codes that restricts/limitates me getting connected to the community.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="thrones"]We abandoned them in the GC/N64 era. Now they're back with a mission to destroy gaming.Blackbond

I abandoned them when the GC was announced Lol... and agreed they are ruining gaming to some extent

They aren't ruining gaming at all they are only ruining themselves.

Nintendo isn't ruining themselves yet. They are in a excellent financial position right now.

I believe there is a possibility it might though, if they continue to give their more traditional and dedicated fanbase the middle finger. And all the ''non-gamers'' move on to the next new trend. Then Nintendo will loose alot of support and even the hardcore will turn their back on them. But this is all speculation. Because I doubt the hype will ever die down. I thought the iPod was just a fad. Look now with the iPhone on the market.

I agree though, they are not ruining gaming... I still have my games.

Diablo III, Fallout 3, Gears of War 2, Mirror's Edge, Rage (new anounced by ID software), Alan Wake, FFVXIII, S.T.A.L.K.E.R Clear Sky, Spore, Starcraft 2, Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War II, Portal Still Alive, Resident Evil 5. And the list goes on.

I'm just saddened today that this list could not contain the next Zelda game.

IGN stream was incredibly smooth. Perfect HD too. How come they aren't doing EA??? G4 is really bad :(