Red Faction for the PS2 says the PS2 had great games in the first year.

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Retail Evidence For 40GB PS3 Pops Up

t's difficult to keep things secret when you have to take the appropriate business steps to launch a new product. First, we have a mysterious FCC filing from Sony, with a code number that's awfully similar to the other PS3 models. Then, we hear about that "Spider-Man 3" Blu-Ray bundle, which will feature a "lower-spec" 40GB PS3, and now, the mysterious PS3 is starting to pop up in retail databases.

According to multiple sources (Joystiq, Engadget, etc.), this lower-end PS3 model is already in official existence. Joystiq says they received a tip that a UPC database website has a listing for a "Sony PlayStation 3 40GB" and that's enough to get people excited. Whatever site that is, it doesn't seem to allow user-created data, and so far, all of their numbers we've checked have been correct. On top of this, Engadget claims to have a leaked Best Buy document that shows a similar listing for a 40GB PS3, with a retail price of $399. So far, you're looking at some of the best evidence of the much-rumored PS3 model, even though Sony hasn't said anything official.

What will be unveiled during their Big Bang conference? Well, it seems more than likely that the 40GB PS3, bundled with "Spider-Man 3" and boasting a $399 price tag, is definitely on the announcement agenda. We all know about it now, Sony, why wait until October 12? Just go ahead and tell us!

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1915.html

FCC Filing Resurrects 40GB PS3 Rumor

Well, when a rumor gets going, it's like a runaway locomotive: it requires an insane amount of force to get it to stop, and any little push causes the thing to gain speed. The existence of a 40GB PS3, which SCEE has already debunked by calling the idea nothing more than "rumor and speculation," is back once again.

This time, according to Eurogamer, it's the good ol' FCC who has the most recent evidence in the palms of their bureaucratic hands. Sony has officially filed something new with the Federal Communications Commission; the code number is CECHG01. What makes it "new?" Well, it's different than the numbers for the 60GB (CECHA01) and the 80GB (CECH01) models, but at the same time, it's also very similar. With a difference of only one letter, shouldn't we expect this to be another PlayStation 3...?

Maybe. But Sony has refused to comment (surprise, surprise), so while the rumor has gained more steam, it's still just a rumor. All hardware must be checked by the FCC before it can be manufactured and sold in the US, so maybe Sony could hide whatever this is from us, but not from the federal government. Lastly, this most recent filing lists a subsidiary company of China-based AsusTek as the maker, who just so happens to be handling production of the current 80GB PS3. Yes, the plot thickens.

Sony has already said they have no intentions of dropping the price until they reinforce the system's software lineup, and if that's the case, wouldn't it make perfect sense to issue a cheaper model for the holidays? We think it does.

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[QUOTE="goblaa"]You know sony has messed up if they have to drop the price of their console by 50% the first year.nichos24

Your math skills and other cogent skills required for real life jobs that pay well need some more polish.

You are under 16 years of age so lets try some simple math with a six hundred dollar item being 100 percent.

Sixty dollars is ten percent.

3 X sixty dollars= 180 dollars or thirty percent.

twenty dollars equals: three point three percent.

So two hundred dollars from six hundred dollars is a drop of Thirty Three percent in the final consumer price.

I am depressed at the dismal state that education is in

he was referencing the TITLE price. 299 vs. 599. that sir is a 300 dollar price difference. your attempt at owning an educational system that you are undoubtedly a product of has failed.

Wrong.

Debut in 2006 at 600 dollars and price of 299 in 2008 is NOT " You know sony has messed up if they have to drop the price of their console by 50% the first year"

Last time I checked a year is 12 months.

I am depressed at the sad state of todays education where kids are unable to comprehend that a year is 12 months.

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Okay, so they didn't announce it at the Tokyo Game Show, but that hasn't stopped the rumor. In fact, it seems more possible than ever: according to Product-Reviews.net, it seems Sony has already approached Taiwanese manufacturer FoxConn and requested they make a "lower-spec" PS3. If you weren't aware, FoxConn is the same company that produces the PS2.

However, and this has been a subject of much debate over the past few weeks, nobody is really sure what "lower-spec" actually means. Some have said this might include the loss of a USB port or that great backwards compatibility...which basically already disappeared in the new 80GB model. It doesn't feature that snazzy graphics synthesizer chip from the 60GB model that results in almost full backwards compatibility (it uses software emulation instead), so it's very likely we'll see this same approach in the 40GB model.

Many have expected the US model would retail at $399 and the UK model at £200, but again, nothing has been officially confirmed. It seems almost inevitable this mystery 40GB PS3 will arrive at some point, but we have no idea why Sony didn't want to announce it at TGS. Perhaps they're just waiting for a more strategic time, closer to the holidays...?

You know sony has messed up if they have to drop the price of their console by 50% the first year.goblaa

Your math skills and other cogent skills required for real life jobs that pay well need some more polish.

You are under 16 years of age so lets try some simple math with a six hundred dollar item being 100 percent.

Sixty dollars is ten percent.

3 X sixty dollars= 180 dollars or thirty percent.

twenty dollars equals: three point three percent.

So two hundred dollars from six hundred dollars is a drop of Thirty Three percent in the final consumer price.

I am depressed at the dismal state that education is in

That would be a huge swift kick to the nuts of people who had to pay double that price just one year ago.BrownWalrus

Like those folks that got them for two or three grand? Its just business sense to drop the price when production costs get cheaper. I got a two hundred dollar one gig usb drive that I purchased two years ago and I am not upset that prices have dropped to below the one hundred dollar mark for one gig usb drives. A swift kick to the whatevers is dropping the price after a month or so. Its just about on stone tablets that most electronic products will drop in price after a year goes by and when close to two years goes by its just business sense to kick drop the competition with a much lower price.

And since the Wii is making 50 dollars per console sold its going to really bother Nintendo to have to sell a Wii at cost or below in 2008.

Cost of Wii from Nintendo was 200 dollars since they stated to be making a 13 dollar profit from Japan sales, 50 dollar profit from U.S. sales, 74 dollar profit from Europe sales of the wii.

So it looks like in 2008 its going to be PS3 FTW and we will see in a few days about that 399 price point and in a few months about that 299 price point.

no game on the Wii should be able to score higher than a 4.5. automatic 5 point deduction for all the inclusion of any form of waggle on my review system. the other .5 is for the crappy graphics, nerfed online, and obsolete tech (like physics, AI, ect)THETRUEDOZAH

Add another .5 deduction for only having prologic sound and nothing on the Wii deserves more that a four.