[QUOTE="ShenlongBo"]

[QUOTE="muthsera666"]

So you don't like Grand Theft Auto, right? Cause I'm pretty sure that I killed a lot of civilians that were running away from me and screaming. I'm not sure why you're so hostile about it, but you do have the right to your own opinion. I just find it strange in the modern era.

Shame-usBlackley

...apparently.

Right, because everyone who's ever watched Kenny get killed in South Park loves watching movies like Hostel, right?

I mean, if we're going to deal in painting with broad strokes let's at least be consistent. But yeah, apparently it's also because I'm a racist, muslim hating bastard behind why I don't want to shoot civilians in an airport. Thanks for the public service announcement.

Sorry, but your turban remark is bull****, chief. You like fighting games, right? How much would it interest you to play a fighting game where the opposing player was a pacifist? Or had his hands tied? Ah, **** it. I don't need to explain myself to you, dude. You think what you want.

And incidentally, the terrorist incident in COD6 isn't carried off by Muslims, or anyone wearing a turban.

Consistency? I don't draw much of a distinction between a game where killing innocent civilian code is done in a comical light (GTA and the like), and a game where there are supposed to be more profound implications (pick any war game with collateral damage). It's all make-believe to me. Personally, I tend to feel a little uneasy about hurting little pretend innocents, so I don't. All the same, I think if it's going to exist in games at all, we're better off if somebody eventually depicts the gruesome reality of it, rather than constantly making a joke of it. Schindler's List is actually a much more appropriate film to compare this to. It's not something I could sit and watch over and over and over again, since I find the violence nigh-impossible to stomach, but I still appreciate it for what it is. All the same, if you find it more sensible to toss me in with the snuff-film Hostel crowd because of this, you do that. Maybe it's just easier...

My turban remark didn't have to be taken literally - it was intended to imply non-Americans, but hey, whadya gonna do? I mean, Dhalsim is a pacifist, Oro does have one hand tied behind his back, and Cody is handcuffed, but... I'll ignore all that. No need to pretend I don't totally get what you meant by what you said. Still, it's not my fault if it takes you four posts to get your point across in a way that doesn't misrepresent where you stand.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]Walking around a ****ing AIRPORT (or wherever it is) shooting innocent (and unarmed) men, women, and children in the face as they scream and cry in pools of their own blood and try to drag each other away to safety doesn't sound ****ing appealing to me, GOT IT?

It's one thing to show such a scene, but to put the player in control of it....... Nope, not interested. If you guys are, that's fine. But last I checked I wasn't petitioning anyone in this thread to boycott the game.

Shooting a bunch of unarmed people in the face is ****ing UNINTERESTING to me in a game where the defining trait is people shooting BACK.muthsera666

So you don't like Grand Theft Auto, right? Cause I'm pretty sure that I killed a lot of civilians that were running away from me and screaming. I'm not sure why you're so hostile about it, but you do have the right to your own opinion. I just find it strange in the modern era.

...apparently.

I don't know if I really feel like shelling out $60 to be an active participant in a terrorist incident.

I'm kind of thinking NO.

Shame-usBlackley

:|

Dude... what?

[QUOTE="ShenlongBo"]In games like GTA, it's just all about random, gleeful, gratuitous violence in the name of FUN.UpInFlames

Second, nobody I've ever spoke to who is in love with GTA - and I know TONS of these people - has ever said anything about there being an emotionally-charged anything anywhere in it. I do know that you can throw hand grenades into crowded restaurants, though.

The funny thing is, I'm in no way against this in games. Not at all, so you suggesting that I am while making presumptions about my "moral compass" is ignorant and annoying as ****. I agree with you that games ought to push the envelope, and I applaud the GTA series for its contribution to doing just that. Maybe you're cool with chalking that contribution up to profound emotional whatever. Me? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say blowing up legions of cop cars with a bazooka has more to do with it. And that's not a downplay, it's calling things what they are.

Once again, anyone who can condemn MW2 while giving GTA a bye is being a hypocrite. Maybe this is you. Maybe it isn't. I don't know, I don't actually care, to be honest, but if I did, I wouldn't start off my debate with false assumptions about where you are morally.

[QUOTE="ShenlongBo"]

I'd just like to say that anyone who gives games like GTA a bye while reprimanding IW for what they might be doing in MW2 is being absolutely hypocritical. At least the MW2 thing has an emotional tug, even a message that is, quite likely, intended to make you see the EVIL of unabashed murder. In games like GTA, it's just all about random, gleeful, gratuitous violence in the name of FUN.

gopulpfiction

I think that's why most people give GTA a bye is because it is FUN. The gameplay in GTA simply just allows for killing civilians, and thus gamers can make that disconnect between reality and video game violence. Whereas in MW2, you're put in a situation where you must take on a terrorist role, even if your character is an undercover operative.

Like any other work of fiction, whether it's a video game, a book, ora movie, any content put into it has to serve some sort of purpose other than just putting it in there. Judging by Activision's press release, this portion of the game serves to progress the plot and highlight the atrocities of terrorism. Only when the game comes out can we judge if they're successful in doing so, or even necessary to include it.

Shen, GGs last night!

Yesterday was not my day last night. I was only able to get one match won and even a round every now and then, but nothing I did was working. Everything that I did...it did not come out properly or it did not connect. But everything he did was right on the money and did connect! It literally p***ed me off to no belief! I went to do a regular fireball and I hit fierece, but what the game thought I did? My ****ing Ultra! Man, it was so freaking retarded! I really do hate the fact that Capcom screwed up pretty bad with the controls and the shortcut inputs. They really need to tighten up the controls for Super Street Fighter IV!!!! Grr!

Metamania

I'd just like to say that anyone who gives games like GTA a bye while reprimanding IW for what they might be doing in MW2 is being absolutely hypocritical. At least the MW2 thing has an emotional tug, even a message that is, quite likely, intended to make you see the EVIL of unabashed murder. In games like GTA, it's just all about random, gleeful, gratuitous violence in the name of FUN.

Hey cool, looks like JR just hadn't finished posting up our matches. I doubt he'll put up all 34 from this set (and I kind of hope so, because he went on a tear somewhere in the middle/end and... *shudder*). Anyway, check out this, eh? I winned one!

I haven't played SFIV yet, but in HDR that was the only change to Ryu they made. Would that make him God-tier in SSFIV? I wonder sometimes how the balance of SFIV would have worked if they'd paid attention to what Backbone was doing across the pond, like giving Honda a way to deal with fireballs.MAILER_DAEMON

What this tells me is that Ryu doesn't need a nerf, the weaker characters need to come up to his level instead. This is basically Sirlin's approach, so my guess is Ryu would have probably come out very much the same under his development team, but the rest of the cast would have much better tools of their own.

Since it was brought up, here are just a few very simple things I think Capcom could have done to make SFIV more balanced:

- Sagat's stats not boosted. If they felt they HAD to tinker with them, they should have gone the OTHER direction. Still, 1K/1K would have been fine.

- Let Honda's EX headbut absorb a hit (fireball), and let his F+RH knock down.

- Let Ken cancel into FULL Ultra after Shoryu all the time, not just on counter hit.

- Just a bit more damage on Sakura's Ultra.

- Gief's Green Hand should get through fireballs MUCH easier, but his PPP lariat shouldn't beat everything under the sun.

- 1K HP for Chun

- Guile higher damage, quicker recovery on flash kicks, an Ultra that ****ing works properly, and Ultra damage switched with Blanka's.

- Gen 1K/1K

- Vega invincible on the way to the wall during Ultra

- Fei Long's Tenshin come out slightly faster, Ultra NEVER misses after first hit connects.

This is just off the top of my head, but most of these things are items that Capcom could have easily done to prevent a lot of the balance problems.

[QUOTE="ShenlongBo"]

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

Hey guys, I just read a brand-new interview with Seth Killan. You can read it here!

http://www.hadoken.net/?p=769

Metamania

Annnnnddd... in keeping with the "click this link" theme, here's a few of those bouts I had with JR. He didn't upload any of the ones where I actually won, but... eh. I don't hold it against him. It's his channel, his choice, and yeah... the score was 30-4 so *shrug* Next time, I'll just have to have my camera ready.

Where are they? :P

*facepalms* Been a long night, lol.

Uhhh... here?

P.S. Links should just put themselves in my posts automatically whenever I want them there. Right?