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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]You're talking about enclosed workplaces, I'm guessing, where the law's probably just as strict on lighting campfires and barbecues.jimmyjammer69

even in inclosed spaces, the outback steakhouse has grills, the chillis has grills.... but nobody is allowed to smoke in either of them.

We even have barbeque joints, and barbeque joints have smokers... which if you arent the culinary expert that someone like myself is... is a device designed for producing the most amount of smoke possible... in order to use smoke to flavor the meat.

But again, smoking a cigarette is illegal in all of these places. And all these places create meats full of carcinogens... because if you didnt know... any charred or blackened food, is cancer causing food. The charred ash represented as grill lines in your steak or burger is actually a black line of cancer.

all states, but i live in connecticut. I used to goto pennsylvania and smoke and goto bars but then they made it illegal too. Its country wide. Im not entirely sure what a tobacconist even is....

same reason i dont goto a sushi place and demand pizza... i have basic knowledge that tells me different establishments serve different purposes. So if i want to eat pizza i dont goto a sushi restaurant, and if im looking for a health and wellness program i dont goto a bar. For me this makes sense, for most... maybe not. We should legally make bars serve only brown rice and skinless chicken breast for food and only blended wheat grass as beverages... sounds good to me, amirite?

seems like a good plan, every private business should do exactly what i want regardless of what they want... and if they dont do exactly what i want, i should sue them. I should be able to walk into a best buy and order a slice of pizza, and they legally should be required to serve it to me because im an over privileged d-bag with an over-inflated ego and a massive sense of entitlement.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]If you can sit next to a grill or a campfire and not have an asthma attack.Overlord93

do smokers follow you around blowing smoke in your face? generally speaking both are stationary objects.SoBaus

all smoke is hot, smoke is the result of combustion. Whether its a burning cigarette or a burning log on the fireplace... smoke goes up. Otherwise, it wouldnt be smoke.

Yes smokers have legs, are you saying you are being trailed an harassed by smokers? Seems odd, but i could see why people might target you.

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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Aren't there laws about where you can grill though? I mean, you can't just light a fire in the middle of a city centre, can you?jimmyjammer69

There are privately owned businesses like campgrounds, that allow grilling and campfires in my state. Unfortunately there are no privately owned businesses that can allow smoking.

even in inclosed spaces, the outback steakhouse has grills, the chillis has grills.... but nobody is allowed to smoke in either of them.

We even have barbeque joints, and barbeque joints have smokers... which if you arent the culinary expert that someone like myself is... is a device designed for producing the most amount of smoke possible... in order to use smoke to flavor the meat.

But again, smoking a cigarette is illegal in all of these places. And all these places create meats full of carcinogens... because if you didnt know... any charred or blackened food, is cancer causing food. The charred ash represented as grill lines in your steak or burger is actually a black line of cancer.

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[QUOTE="Overlord93"] does that bad breath cause health issues for other people? oh right no.jimmyjammer69

grilling does, puts off a thousand times more carcinogens than a cigarette. Should grilling be illegal...? maybe burning your food in an oven... also puts an incredible amount of carcinogens into the air compared to smoking.

You realize the smoke is the health risk, and anything that makes smoke is just as deadly as a cigarette right? So if you have a charcoal grill, everytime you make a burger thats like multiple cartons of cigarettes you are putting into the air?

Or if you sear a burger on the stove top, or sear a burger with your broiler... you are putting carcinogens into the air at a rate smokers could only dream of.... and even more carcinogens on your food.

There are privately owned businesses like campgrounds, that allow grilling and campfires in my state. Unfortunately there are no privately owned businesses that can allow smoking.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Overlord93"] does that bad breath cause health issues for other people? oh right no.Overlord93

grilling does, puts off a thousand times more carcinogens than a cigarette. Should grilling be illegal...? maybe burning your food in an oven... also puts an incredible amount of carcinogens into the air compared to smoking.

You realize the smoke is the health risk, and anything that makes smoke is just as deadly as a cigarette right? So if you have a charcoal grill, everytime you make a burger thats like multiple cartons of cigarettes you are putting into the air?

Or if you sear a burger on the stove top, or sear a burger with your broiler... you are putting carcinogens into the air at a rate smokers could only dream of.... and even more carcinogens on your food.

can I avoid standing next to a grill? YES

end of conversation.

If you can sit next to a grill or a campfire and not have an asthma attack... but cigarettes give you an asthma attack... is probably psychological.

and how can you avoid a grill, but not a smoker? do smokers follow you around blowing smoke in your face? generally speaking both are stationary objects.

[QUOTE="ManifestoJoe"]Yes. And while were at it, i hate smelling bad breath when im talkin to someone so we should make having bad breath illegal too.Overlord93

grilling does, puts off a thousand times more carcinogens than a cigarette. Should grilling be illegal...? maybe burning your food in an oven... also puts an incredible amount of carcinogens into the air compared to smoking.

You realize the smoke is the health risk, and anything that makes smoke is just as deadly as a cigarette right? So if you have a charcoal grill, everytime you make a burger thats like multiple cartons of cigarettes you are putting into the air?

Or if you sear a burger on the stove top, or sear a burger with your broiler... you are putting carcinogens into the air at a rate smokers could only dream of.... and even more carcinogens on your food.

I hope you microwave everything you eat, otherwise you are worse than a smoker. Then again microwaves put of radiation... and brazil nuts have the highest levels of radium of all food sources... but they are still included in most cans of mixed nuts. OH MY GOD, EVERYTHING KILLS US!

Your cell phone and computer monitor are carcinogens, RUN!

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Prove that second hand smoke, to the exclusion of all other factors, causes cancer.

Lord_Daemon

Umm, ok...

Does exposure to secondhand smoke cause cancer?

Yes. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the U.S. National Toxicology Program, the U.S. Surgeon General, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer have all ****fied secondhand smoke as a known human carcinogen

That's all well and good and I certainly wouldn't argue that secondhand smoke can lead to the development of cancer. But when this subject comes up most people seem to not understand the secondhand smoke term and how it is measured in order to be a potentially harmful risk. All secondhand smoke tests that I've seen and subsequent laws created from their results are based on an enclosed environment scenario in which non-smokers are exposed to a persistent smoke polluted area on a regular basis such as living with a spouse that smokes or a place of work where smoking is regularly encountered. Catching the occasional whiff of smoke from a passing smoker is not considered the kind of secondhand smoke that would result in a possible development of cancer. It may be annoying to your sense of smell, but the human body is just not that frail.

So no although I'm not fond of smoking as I don't smoke I don't think it should be banned from general outdoor areas.

actually most of the the second hand smoke death figures comes from people with heart conditions inhaling second hand nicotine. These of course are all theoretical figures. Nictoine increases blood pressure, its possible 2nd hand nicotine can elevate the blood pressure of people with heart conditions.

The only downside is, as alot of states banned smoking in private establishments... heart attacks increased. Why? the summer that year averaged 1 degree hotter than the previous year.

A single degree increase of heat during the summer, is more deadly... than 2nd hand smoke.

2nd hand smoke doesnt actually cause cancer or anything like that... beyond the scenarios you talked about of non smokers living with smokers... but i actually havent seen any studies that reliably support that theory.

almost all the 2nd hand smoke death numbers are based on people with heart conditions, inhaling 2nd hand smoke... which theoretically causes a spike in blood pressure due to nicotine tiggering a heart attack. These people should be on oxygen tanks afterall, and they shouldnt be going to bars in the first place as alcohol also increases blood pressure.

If a 1 degree increase in temperature is more deadly than 2nd hand smoke they should stay home, with air conditioning. Most anti smoking facts are actually perpetuated by anti smoking lobbying groups (multi million dollar groups). They will say things about low birth weight babies, even though smokers have just as healthy babies as non smokers... and things about arsenic in tobacco... even though broccoli and any vegetable grown from the earth contains arsenic (because soil contains arsenic).

anti smoking propoganda is just that, propoganda... its light on facts and heavy on scares. But seriously, whos gonna fund those anti tobacco ads if you dont make the general public afraid of tobacco?

anti smoking efforts try to pick out scary words and make you afraid... even though your grilled chicken breast is probably more dangerous than 2nd hand smoke.

EDIT: from a 100% logical viewpoint, why would a smoker be able to smoke 2 packs a day... for 30-50 years before they have ill health effects... but someone smelling cigarette smoke in passing is somehow damaging to their well being? Thats not how human lungs work... otherwise you would get lung cancer everytime you fired up the grill.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]to be honest i feel like ive outgrown alot of the nintendo franchises. As i get older i enjoy things like plot and narrative more... and nintendo seems very reluctant to change their development style.thom_maytees

Age has nothing to do with it, and it is unfortunate that society compels us adults to move to "adult" interests because it is considered socially-unacceptable for them to continue in interests associated with children.

maybe not age, but experience.

plotlines and narratives have the capability of easily being uniquely different (why folks can easily be entertained by movies again and again). So i find games that use these mechanics to be more fresh... than another mario kart, or another zelda.... where its basically the same thing, again.

i have no idea what these genres are... i think i remember meshuggah being referred to as math metal... is this the same concept?

They should at least try it for like a few decades and see what happens, if it isn't good then we can go back to prohibition of drugs. Also i would like to finally try some marijuana, where i know i'm getting a clean product. X360PS3AMD05

i know in highschool it was way easier to get pot than alcohol.... because pot dealers dont card people.

regulation is always better than illegalization... and i HATE pot.