[QUOTE="nanomecha4"]Only about 6,300 sales. Blue Dragon, Lost Planet, and Gears of War couldnt save Xbox 360 from flopping in Japan. Meanwhile Playstation 3 amazingly outsold Playstation 2 for the 2nd time even though there is hardly any games out for the Japanese Market to eat up. Playstation 3 is outselling Xbox 360 3 to 1 and so far it looks like a repeat of last gen. Xbox 360 is dead in Japan. Microsoft should pack its bags and sell 360's in Alaska, they might not overheat there as much. R.I.P.Riverwolf007Oh no! what if Japanese developers lose intrest in the 360 we might not get turn based rpg's starring feminine teen boys, talking animals, and a butch guy that helps you because he making up for his dark past. We could lose out on single player racing games or (gasp) games where you collect glowing orbs from things you kill. Maybe over philosophised shooters that talk about the wrongness of war and the futility of exestence will not be released, whatever will we do without those? No, wait, unfortunately those will still be released as all of the great european designed games are paying for M$ to throw money around in Japan so we can have yet another round of stale traditional Japanese designed games thet we have all already played a thousand times. For every 100 games that come out of Japan we may get one Okami or Ico and for that I respect the Japanese game designers but face it, they are in a rut. The lack of online in games like Motorstorm(Japanese version) and VF5 demonstrates how little Japanese game designers care about how the rest of the world wants to play. You'r right, they should all start making First Person Shooters with dervivative gameplay and story, sports games, and the not-so-occasional sandbox game about gangsters and the women that love them :rolleyes:
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[QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"] If Online junkies stoptalking out of thier asses first... Really, I agree also, the Humans>AI. BUT, if bringing a game online will comprimise the gameplay I love so much, I'd rather wait.LosDaddie
I'd rather Sega wait 'til they can get the net coding right.
But then, VF5 probably wouldn't come out until 2020...maybe....[QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="osusfaith"]I'd be thrilled if this game was online on 360. That would be the dealbreaker and assure I purchase it. Otherwise I'm still very much up in the air whether i will or not, as i dont have good local competitionDreams-Visionswelcome the club. Unfourtunately, VF5 won't be online for either platforms. And I still bet that Tekken 6 and SC4 won't be online either. I can hope, damn it :( :cry:
let me have my dreams and my visions! :(
NEVER! >=D I shall dash your hopes and dreams and then drink Coffee!
[QUOTE="osusfaith"]I'd be thrilled if this game was online on 360. That would be the dealbreaker and assure I purchase it. Otherwise I'm still very much up in the air whether i will or not, as i dont have good local competitionDreams-Visionswelcome the club. Unfourtunately, VF5 won't be online for either platforms. And I still bet that Tekken 6 and SC4 won't be online either.
[QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="jackassultima"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="jackassultima"]But in the west very few people go to arcades any more, so western sales will not be impacted by this problem. They can't put online in because they've already said that the lag and latency issues across the internet would render it practically unplayable.Dreams-Visionsdid Westerners EVER really open up to this series in droves? I highly doubt it. And no online play successfully cuts the opportunity for the series to grow more marketshare off at the knees, IMO. I can tell you that it won't be a popular 360 game. not because it's not good..but because people want to play ONLINE on the 360. Unless its an RPG or something, online has to at least be an option. but maybe I'm mischaracterizing the 360 online community. The point is that this kind of game with such fast gameplay cannot currently be made online capable. You can go for watered down slower fighting games which have online because online issues make far less of an impact, but in the end they are just worse fighting games IMO. I'd rather have my mates round my house playing VF5 and have an awesome single player experience than compromise it so I can play some nobodies online. you believe that only because those are the excuses they're trying to spoon-feed you. I'm sorry man, but excuses are only excuses. If they can't do it RIGHT...then they need to shove the game back in the oven or put it in the freezer until they CAN do it right. no online will = no buy for a huge number of people. 360 owners will not line up for this one. at. all. I'll probably end up getting it regardless of online play, because I've never been a big fan of Dead of Alive series. But it definately hampers the amount I'll play it. Playing with friends is fun, but only up to a point. I'll be sad with no online multi. And thank you- abolish excuses! you can bet your sweet *ss that the next iterrations of Tekken, Soul Calibur and DoA will all be ONLINE. No they won't, and it's going to be for the same reasons as VF. Really, most of the people screaming "NO ONLINE=NO BUY" aren't interested in the game in the first place. I don't know about you, but I'd happily sacrifice online if having online will compromise the gameplay. Also, VF5 is NOT online in arcades, those are replays. stop being a damn SEGA apologist. you're eating their excuses up like an Ethopian would steak. just because their developers couldn't get it done in time for the PS3's release doesn't mean that other devs don't have their *hit together. those games will all have online play. It'll be fine. It'll prolong the life of those games 10 fold. EXPECT it. Well, I apoligize for trusting the people who actually spent time MAKING the game and not some guy on a forum who's only played he game for a few weeks. People have ATUALLy stated facts as to why VF5 and other fighters like it can't be placed online because of fundemental gameplay changes. VF games rely heavily on precise, down to the frame command input. So much so that lag would literally destroy the game for it's target audiance. Lag causes the frame inputs to change, which results in moves not being as responsive as normal. If you dont beleive me, why dont you try e-mailing SEGA about it. apology accepted. Well thank you, I feel my life feels so enriched now. lol i love you. I love you more. :P
[QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"]At least they have Online in the arcades. What do I get. A CPU who does the same damn cheap move, and I punish the hell out of it. No ones is on my level in fighters. I drive 20 miles to my nearest Aracade, and it doesn't even have VF, Tekken, or SF in it (I go for the cotton candy). Tournaments are held like once every 2 months. Simple saying we need online here more than the Japanese.shungokustasuwait wait...VF5 is online in arcades in Japan?/! of course. The whole arcade there are online. Agian, VF5 is NOT online in Japanese arcades. I have no idea where you're pulling this from. What you are seeing are replays from fights, that is all. VF.net? ...Is a card based service that allows players to save thier replays. For a fee of course.
[QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="jackassultima"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="jackassultima"]But in the west very few people go to arcades any more, so western sales will not be impacted by this problem. They can't put online in because they've already said that the lag and latency issues across the internet would render it practically unplayable.Dreams-Visionsdid Westerners EVER really open up to this series in droves? I highly doubt it. And no online play successfully cuts the opportunity for the series to grow more marketshare off at the knees, IMO. I can tell you that it won't be a popular 360 game. not because it's not good..but because people want to play ONLINE on the 360. Unless its an RPG or something, online has to at least be an option. but maybe I'm mischaracterizing the 360 online community. The point is that this kind of game with such fast gameplay cannot currently be made online capable. You can go for watered down slower fighting games which have online because online issues make far less of an impact, but in the end they are just worse fighting games IMO. I'd rather have my mates round my house playing VF5 and have an awesome single player experience than compromise it so I can play some nobodies online. you believe that only because those are the excuses they're trying to spoon-feed you. I'm sorry man, but excuses are only excuses. If they can't do it RIGHT...then they need to shove the game back in the oven or put it in the freezer until they CAN do it right. no online will = no buy for a huge number of people. 360 owners will not line up for this one. at. all. I'll probably end up getting it regardless of online play, because I've never been a big fan of Dead of Alive series. But it definately hampers the amount I'll play it. Playing with friends is fun, but only up to a point. I'll be sad with no online multi. And thank you- abolish excuses! you can bet your sweet *ss that the next iterrations of Tekken, Soul Calibur and DoA will all be ONLINE. No they won't, and it's going to be for the same reasons as VF. Really, most of the people screaming "NO ONLINE=NO BUY" aren't interested in the game in the first place. I don't know about you, but I'd happily sacrifice online if having online will compromise the gameplay. Also, VF5 is NOT online in arcades, those are replays. stop being a damn SEGA apologist. you're eating their excuses up like an Ethopian would steak. just because their developers couldn't get it done in time for the PS3's release doesn't mean that other devs don't have their *hit together. those games will all have online play. It'll be fine. It'll prolong the life of those games 10 fold. EXPECT it. Well, I apoligize for trusting the people who actually spent time MAKING the game and not some guy on a forum who's only played he game for a few weeks. People have ATUALLy stated facts as to why VF5 and other fighters like it can't be placed online because of fundemental gameplay changes. VF games rely heavily on precise, down to the frame command input. So much so that lag would literally destroy the game for it's target audiance. Lag causes the frame inputs to change, which results in moves not being as responsive as normal. If you dont beleive me, why dont you try e-mailing SEGA about it. apology accepted. Well thank you, I feel my life feels so enriched now.
[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="jackassultima"] The point is that this kind of game with such fast gameplay cannot currently be made online capable. You can go for watered down slower fighting games which have online because online issues make far less of an impact, but in the end they are just worse fighting games IMO. I'd rather have my mates round my house playing VF5 and have an awesome single player experience than compromise it so I can play some nobodies online.LosDaddie
Awesome single player? :lol:
Single player is just practice for multiplayer. VF5 was built for multiplayer / tourneys.
Have you played VF4? Becaus eyou wouldnt be talking like that otherwise. VF4 has THE best AI in ANY fighting game. Mainly because they are based on real players. AI will NEVER replicate the experiences and enjoyment of playing a flesh and blood person in person or online. You wouldn't be so apathetic to the idea if you had played DoA4. online play is very entertaining. it's like standing in an arcade line like back in the day when Mortal Kombat II and Killer Instinct were the *hit.Agreed.
Humans > CPU.
There simply is nothing better than having a real human(s) to play against. People need to stop being Sega apologists.
If Online junkies stoptalking out of thier asses first... Really, I agree also, the Humans>AI. BUT, if bringing a game online will comprimise the gameplay I love so much, I'd rather wait.[QUOTE="SockPuppetHyren"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="jackassultima"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="jackassultima"]But in the west very few people go to arcades any more, so western sales will not be impacted by this problem. They can't put online in because they've already said that the lag and latency issues across the internet would render it practically unplayable.Dreams-Visionsdid Westerners EVER really open up to this series in droves? I highly doubt it. And no online play successfully cuts the opportunity for the series to grow more marketshare off at the knees, IMO. I can tell you that it won't be a popular 360 game. not because it's not good..but because people want to play ONLINE on the 360. Unless its an RPG or something, online has to at least be an option. but maybe I'm mischaracterizing the 360 online community. The point is that this kind of game with such fast gameplay cannot currently be made online capable. You can go for watered down slower fighting games which have online because online issues make far less of an impact, but in the end they are just worse fighting games IMO. I'd rather have my mates round my house playing VF5 and have an awesome single player experience than compromise it so I can play some nobodies online. you believe that only because those are the excuses they're trying to spoon-feed you. I'm sorry man, but excuses are only excuses. If they can't do it RIGHT...then they need to shove the game back in the oven or put it in the freezer until they CAN do it right. no online will = no buy for a huge number of people. 360 owners will not line up for this one. at. all. I'll probably end up getting it regardless of online play, because I've never been a big fan of Dead of Alive series. But it definately hampers the amount I'll play it. Playing with friends is fun, but only up to a point. I'll be sad with no online multi. And thank you- abolish excuses! you can bet your sweet *ss that the next iterrations of Tekken, Soul Calibur and DoA will all be ONLINE. No they won't, and it's going to be for the same reasons as VF. Really, most of the people screaming "NO ONLINE=NO BUY" aren't interested in the game in the first place. I don't know about you, but I'd happily sacrifice online if having online will compromise the gameplay. Also, VF5 is NOT online in arcades, those are replays. stop being a damn SEGA apologist. you're eating their excuses up like an Ethopian would steak. just because their developers couldn't get it done in time for the PS3's release doesn't mean that other devs don't have their *hit together. those games will all have online play. It'll be fine. It'll prolong the life of those games 10 fold. EXPECT it. Well, I apoligize for trusting the people who actually spent time MAKING the game and not some guy on a forum who's only played he game for a few weeks. People have ATUALLy stated facts as to why VF5 and other fighters like it can't be placed online because of fundemental gameplay changes. VF games rely heavily on precise, down to the frame command input. So much so that lag would literally destroy the game for it's target audiance. Lag causes the frame inputs to change, which results in moves not being as responsive as normal. If you dont beleive me, why dont you try e-mailing SEGA about it.
[QUOTE="jackassultima"] The point is that this kind of game with such fast gameplay cannot currently be made online capable. You can go for watered down slower fighting games which have online because online issues make far less of an impact, but in the end they are just worse fighting games IMO. I'd rather have my mates round my house playing VF5 and have an awesome single player experience than compromise it so I can play some nobodies online.LosDaddie
Awesome single player? :lol:
Single player is just practice for multiplayer. VF5 was built for multiplayer / tourneys.
Have you played VF4? Becaus eyou wouldnt be talking like that otherwise. VF4 has THE best AI in ANY fighting game. Mainly because they are based on real players.
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