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You are saying that they are not building settlements on the West bank? Yes or No.
Xtasy26
Yes and US is building settlements in Michigan. Your point being?
Michigan is part of the US. While West Bank is not. So your point?
No West Bank isn't part of US I never said so either. While the situation is a little different there's nothing that makes the West Bank "palestinian land". Nothing whatsoever.
a) For your first point there is a difference, even your answer about alluding to the UN points to it because Israel was essentialy created with the support of the UN. Whereas in the US we fought the British and kicked them out of our land. Whereas in Canada it was part of the British empire, slowly after which they became independent although they have a Governor General who is representative of the Queen, which is largely symbolic. So, it's a totally different case.
For the last part, at least you admit that is extreme. So, even by your analogy Israel PM is extreme so he is extremists.
Xtasy26
yes, and how did these rebels get to what became the US? :P , youre forgeting a detail or two I think. he isn't extreme on the Israeli political scale , but then , Middle Eastern politics is more about the extremes anyways. what seems extreme to you would not be extreme to me.
b) Not sure how building settlements and stealing Palestinian land and building settlements on them is not extreme. That's like me detroying your home and building my HOME on top of your land and saying, "No, I am not extreme". ;)
That still doesn't explain why Israel is stealing Palestinian land and opressing them. Fact of the matter is Israel is stealing Palestinian land and opressing Palestinians, these are facts, which is undeniable.
Xtasy26
Prove these "facts" then. Israel is certainly not doing any of those things.
You are saying that they are not building settlements on the West bank? Yes or No.
Yes and US is building settlements in Michigan. Your point being?
For your last part. I mentioned before that Gaza is run by Hamas, which is extreme. How is that even related to the West Bank being occupied by Israel and the building of settlements.
Xtasy26
because in Israel , the situation is viewed as a whole. let me explain a bit. the Palestinians say they want a state right? fine, well , right now they are set to have 2 states. for the people of Israel , they are the same people, especially since Fatah actually claims soverignty over Gaza, and the fact that Abu Mazen (Mahmud Abaas, in the Mideast he has the nickname Abu Mazen) is the legitimate president of all Palestinians. its the same as I said before, Imagine Quebec unilaterlay split off from Canada and attacked the US, its still part of Canada technically, even if on the ground , it would not be. as such , an agreement with the Palestinians can only be done with all Palestinians, not some of them. by that account, that would be like Israel having a peace treaty and not taking the settlers out, would the Palestinians find that acceptable? I don't think so. in the same manner, I don't find it acceptable that there is no agreement that Hamas will stop the rockets, and they won't unless they are part of the dialogue, one way or another.
Okay fair enough.
That still doesn't explain why Israel is stealing Palestinian land and opressing them. Fact of the matter is Israel is stealing Palestinian land and opressing Palestinians, these are facts, which is undeniable.
Prove these "facts" then. Israel is certainly not doing any of those things.
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