[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

we did it in Gaza, left completely, and yet there you go , rockets are still coming from Gaza, in fact they increased since Israel left manyfold.

there are organisations in the Palestinian society that frankly want me dead no matter what I give them , like Hamas or Islamic Jihad, and frankly they have more power on the ground than Fatah.

Darkman2007

Not really a surprise at all :lol: also he pretty much saying all of Jerusalem is a settlement including beyound the green line. Maybe a small error but still.

I also agree cause the economic burden is too big for Israel to carry. In fact the whole situation is. That's the whole reason PA is stalling the talks. Cause they don't want 67 borders. They want to be free... from the river to the sea.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"] There's a strong percentage of games that defy your points right there, be it Pathologic to Knytt stories and Tower of Heaven. Emotion can be invested, interpretation can be applied, systems allow new methods of defining and creating narrative etc. Furthermore this is a terrible argument in a sense that you can apply these points to a medium like film - a collaboration process, arguing that it dilutes the emotional intention, which is honestly at terribly poor angle to approach from. [QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

they are

SOTC pretty much shuts up any old fart critic that says otherwise

HaloinventedFPS

yes it is

SOTC was the game that started "can games actually be art"

and its always brought up in debates

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

and yet, you cannot answer my question , what happens when the rockets land on Tel Aviv, which will happen if Israel leaves the West Bank just like that, it happend in Gaza, and it will happen in the West Bank.

and then people wonder why the Israeli public can be skeptical about these things, the world is basically tells us "you all can die for all we care, since we can't be bothered solving your problem"

Darkman2007

Wont giving them land make them less hostile?

we did it in Gaza, left completely, and yet there you go , rockets are still coming from Gaza, in fact they increased since Israel left manyfold.

there are organisations in the Palestinian society that frankly want me dead no matter what I give them , like Hamas or Islamic Jihad, and frankly they have more power on the ground than Fatah.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="sircyrus"]

Much of the world would disagree you with on the settlements not being illegal. Even the Israeli laws consider them illegal, hence why Netanyahu announced 2 weeks ago that they're going to look into finding a way to legalize the settlement outposts.

And if Israel said they'd freeze their settlement construction, why did they announce new settlement construction more than once in recent months? The peace talks were derailed 2 years ago when the week before the talks were supposed to begin, Israel announced new settlement construction knowing full well that the Palestinians would be ticked off. They intentionally sabotaged the talks before they even started, and are preventing them from being able to come back to the table.

In regards to the attacks, I think you're confusing the PA with Hamas.

And as the leaked negotiation documents showed, it isn't the PA who is being uncooperative and unwilling to negotiate. Quite the opposite. Even the US is criticizing Israel for it's settlements derailing the peace process.

gaming25

and yet, you cannot answer my question , what happens when the rockets land on Tel Aviv, which will happen if Israel leaves the West Bank just like that, it happend in Gaza, and it will happen in the West Bank.

and then people wonder why the Israeli public can be skeptical about these things, the world is basically tells us "you all can die for all we care, since we can't be bothered solving your problem"

Wont giving them land make them less hostile?

Much of the world would disagree you with on the settlements not being illegal. Even the Israeli laws consider them illegal, hence why Netanyahu announced 2 weeks ago that they're going to look into finding a way to legalize the settlement outposts.

And if Israel said they'd freeze their settlement construction, why did they announce new settlement construction more than once in recent months? The peace talks were derailed 2 years ago when the week before the talks were supposed to begin, Israel announced new settlement construction knowing full well that the Palestinians would be ticked off. They intentionally sabotaged the talks before they even started, and are preventing them from being able to come back to the table.

In regards to the attacks, I think you're confusing the PA with Hamas.

And as the leaked negotiation documents showed, it isn't the PA who is being uncooperative and unwilling to negotiate. Quite the opposite. Even the US is criticizing Israel for it's settlements derailing the peace process.

sircyrus

I don't care what the world dissagree with. Israeli law consider some outposts illegal not all the settlements as a whole.

No if you read what I said they would freeze them with natural growth if the PA would agree to negotiate and without natural growth in exchange for recognition. Lol Israel is "preventing" them from coming back? At the UN a few weeks ago Netanyahu just said they're in the same country, city and house why can't you come and negotiate? Maybe it was secret mossad squirrels stopping him with their infamous insidiousness.

I didn't say it was the PA. But Hamas is suppose to represent the palestinians so they shouldn't be that easily neglected.

"even the US"? So what what's that got to do with anything? They critizise Israel alot. so what? And leaked documents show nothing. And what relevance though they have now with Abbas avoiding talks more than death?

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

they are

SOTC pretty much shuts up any old fart critic that says otherwise

AmnesiaHaze

they are

SOTC pretty much shuts up any old fart critic that says otherwise

HaloinventedFPS

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"]

[QUOTE="mayceV"]IDK why either. They say its because Palestine is acting Unilaterally but the PA stated hundreds of times that they will go back into negotiations. the Actual text of the UN bid even says that negotiations will commence on the bases of he 1967 borders. So in reality there is no reason they should be saying no or vetoing it.sircyrus

With redicilous preconditions that is. So in reality they have said quiete the opposite

1) It is not their territory in the first place and has never been

2) It is not illegal

3) Israel froze them completely for 10 months and have said they are ready to freeze them with the exception for natural growth indefinitely

4) Israel has offered to freeze them withoutnatural growth in exchange for recognition of their state by the PA.

5) The PA also has another precondition that say they will only negotiate if the are promised pretty much 100% of their desired territory before negotiations, which would complely undermine the purpose of having negotiation in the first place.

In short they're not interested in negotiating. If they were they would negotiate as we speak. What is happening though as we speak is Israel being attacked on a daily basis. How about that for a precondition? Cease fire first.

Ok for some reason everything is bold but whateva

TAKE THAT ISRAEL. rmfd341

[QUOTE="SquirrelTamer"] No it's not even close, the atmosphere is WAAAY worse, remember 3-1? The bells, the singing woman? And 1-1 there was actually crows? Why there are no ambient sounds like this in Dark Souls? It's simply a much less interesting world. And how can you know when you don't have a PS3? The combat system is pretty much exactly the same. The better graphics? You mean running around at a constant 10fps? It's a good game but compared to Demon's Souls it's a piece of junk.loosingENDS

Actually the biggest thing improved for me in Dark Souls is art and atmosphere, it is so much closer to what i like than Demons Souls that there is not even a contest

Aslo the variety in art and areas is night and day better in Dark Souls, from huge forests to huge cities and is not just caves, the same looking castles and darkness of Demons Souls

It is vastly better than Demon Souls in every way imo, that is why it got a 9.5/10 too with far highest standards than the 9.0/10 Demons Souls back then