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[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

Then how do you explain that whites are more likely to get skin and testicle cancer? Or cystic fibrosis?

I knew race was a really touchy subject in the US more than other places but this is bordering on the insanity. You cannot deny that different races have different genetic makeups and, subsequently, higher risk than others for certain diseases. That's simply not true and you're denying a FACT just because race is involved. That's an approach that health professionals quite simply cannot follow or they would be putting lives on the line for stupid reasons.

You can deny it all you want you won't change a thing. Sorry.

mattbbpl

WTF? You expect me to accept your way of thinking when you doing even have evidence or examples? Your explanations are fallacious. You consider it "fact" because you refuse totake into accountat the other causes. You cannot force me or anyone to just believe your ignorant statments. Next thing you'll be claiming is that some races are inherently more intelligent than others because of genetics.

Read the page I linked on cystic fibrosis - it not only lays out rates of occurrence, but the genetic cause of the disorder:

CF is caused by a mutation in the gene for the protein cystic fibrosis transmembrane conductance regulator (CFTR). This gene is required to regulate the components of sweat, digestive juices, and mucus. Although most people without CF have two working copies of the CFTR gene, only one is needed to prevent cystic fibrosis. CF develops when neither gene works normally and therefore has autosomal recessive inheritance.

CF is most common among Caucasians; one in 25 people of European descent carry one allele for CF.

Yes yes I understand what you are saying matt but I had already said previously Agree to Disagree because there were many situations in which either side could cite certain diseases and say they were right. I believe the CF argument is credible but not the whole argument. As I said earlier, agree to disagree.

I don't know if the world is being serious any more. :(Ninja-Hippo

Well to be serious for one moment, McCain and Palin have watched closely not to stab one another politcally after loosing 2008. Holding fast to Saint Reagan's "Thou shalt not speak ill of other Republicans." You see how bad Gingrich got trashed for speaking the truth, if McCain did the same they'd be on him like stink on s***.

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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"] He's not claiming greater longevity or overrall health. He's referring to the risk factors of very specific genetic conditions. Different races have higher occurrences of specific disorders within their population. For example, people of European descent are more likely to suffer from cystic fibrosis.

Cataclism

I still hold my position that those ofhigher socio-economic standing stand a better chance of not being affected by these diseases and living longer.

Then how do you explain that whites are more likely to get skin and testicle cancer? Or cystic fibrosis?

I knew race was a really touchy subject in the US more than other places but this is bordering on the insanity. You cannot deny that different races have different genetic makeups and, subsequently, higher risk than others for certain diseases. That's simply not true and you're denying a FACT just because race is involved. That's an approach that health professionals quite simply cannot follow or they would be putting lives on the line for stupid reasons.

You can deny it all you want you won't change a thing. Sorry.

WTF? You expect me to accept your way of thinking when you doing even have evidence or examples? Your explanations are fallacious. You consider it "fact" because you refuse totake into accountat the other causes. You cannot force me or anyone to just believe your ignorant statments. Next thing you'll be claiming is that some races are inherently more intelligent than others because of genetics.

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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]I doubt people are ready for a female president just yet.mrmusicman247

We're ready for a female President. We're just not (or will we ever be) ready for Sarah Palin as President :P

Really? After we've just elected the first Black President there is still doubt about the possibilities in our country. *sigh*

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

If you said that in my pathophysiology class you'd have been failed immediately. It's a very well documented fact that risks for certain diseases vary with race. This has nothing to do with racism or socio-economics, it's all about genetics. The very fact that the "looks" differ between races should be proof enough that genetics are very variable between races.

mattbbpl

And they would have been wrong to the very end. It has been the case time and time again thatthose who are more affluent end up living longer lives regardless of race smacks your fallacious assumption down. If you have access to Healthcare and better quality food and aren't engaged in backbreaking labor everyday your body is likely to have greater longevity.

I still hold my position that those ofhigher socio-economic standing stand a better chance of not being affected by these diseases and living longer.

Bwahaha, please by all means I hope conservatives follow up with this line of thought. Obama would win by a LANDSLIDE that would turn the House and the Senate bluer than 2008.

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[QUOTE="weezyfb"]various groups are more likely to get disorders and diseases.. nothing newCataclism

Unless you are speaking economically, that's untrue man. If you removed the impoverished people from the equation, life expectancy and quality of life (healthy-ness) shoot up. The disparities between socio-economic classes is what makes the TC's statement correct.

If you said that in my pathophysiology class you'd have been failed immediately. It's a very well documented fact that risks for certain diseases vary with race. This has nothing to do with racism or socio-economics, it's all about genetics. The very fact that the "looks" differ between races should be proof enough that genetics are very variable between races.

And they would have been wrong to the very end. It has been the case time and time again thatthose who are more affluent end up living longer lives regardless of race smacks your fallacious assumption down. If you have access to Healthcare and better quality food and aren't engaged in backbreaking labor everyday your body is likely to have greater longevity.

Rihanna ain't fine, but really this thread is full of haters because she's at least alright. I'm at a loss why Rihanna is so high though. Brittany Spears and Kim Kardashian being on the list at all makes them loose all credibility...

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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

That's actually false. Genetic disorders vary in frequency amongst various races as well.

mattbbpl

Uhh..yeahh..no.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/12-of-the-DNA-Differs-Amongst-Human-Races-and-Populations-40872.shtml

They differ, because of their experiences, different "races" go through. where they live, what they do, what they eat, etc.
White people on average, tend to be wealthier, than the mentioned "races", with wealth, comes a more comfortable life, better quality food, less stress etc, this may come as a surprise to you, but.........that helps reduce strokes :@, :roll:

I have sickle cell trait. There are explanations for specific groups to be considered high risk for disorders like this. Those who have Sickle Cell Anemia or just carry the trait like me are immune toMalaria, a disease that was typical in places where my ancestors lived. Malaria is can be pretty deadly, so people who had sickle cell or the trait were more likely to survive.

I'm pretty sure there are other similar situations when it comes to certain groups being "high risk".

EDIT: Damn you Former_Slacker, stealing my thunder... :P

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"]

I posted this a few months ago. People who truely understand religion aren't religious IMO.

dkdk999

Any of the holy books really, lets not just single out the bible.

Yeah there are some good things found in religion, but for the most part religion is an instrument of control or an institution of mere habit.