[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Probably because some people just don't want to admit it,is like when they say the ps3 has only 256 mb of ram,when it has 512,fact is cell fill all the holes the rsx has and them some.XboximusPrime

wow just wow, I cant believe that some of you actually think the cell is better than ANY of the modern cpu's out now. The cell was designed to be a calculator, congratulations, but it suks at running programs. Also most graphics cards of today can do over 1 TFLOP, the AMD 5870 itself can do 3 TFLOP by itself and now it is considered dated. I bet the gtx 580 can do 5-6 TFLOPS. You think intel or AMD even care about floating point for their cpu's? Heck no lol.

I dont think he said its better then modern XPUs. Neither the 360 CPU or Cell is a Modern CPU.

This was never about PC's.

This is about PS3's total FLOPS and total power being greater than the total FLOPS and power of the XBOX 360.

The point is, when you are talking about PS3's graphics, FLOPS and total power, you cannot dis-include the CELL PROCESSOR. You have to include THE CELL and the GPU. Why? Because that is the way it was made to be run, as the cell processor does more FLOPS than any other CPU on the market, even to this day.

That's why talking only about its GPU is a moot point, which is what I notice alot of people seem to want to do, as if the PS3 is a standard PC/X86 system.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Cross game chat - I got a PS3 recently and whilst I still have my 360, it's annoying that I can't chat to my friend on PSN.Bread_or_Decide

Exactly.

I'm a grown man. What the hell do I have to talk so much about to several dudes at the same time that doesn't involve me playing in the same game?

Cross game chat is more like a teeny bopper feature to me.

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

The reason some (not all) XBOX 360 games look better than PS3 is because said developer didn't try to use the PS3's SPE's of the Cell Processor correctly. They will often try to program their games like a PC and the PS3 will not perform as well.

Lazy and low brow developers do it this way.

ronvalencia

For today's raster render workloads, the RSX/Geforce 7 is an aging GPU.

From http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=57736&page=5

I'm not sure If I can say this clearer but I'll do my best....

You and many others do their best to try and compare the PS3 to PC architecture, but that's your first mistake....the PS3 is not like PC architecture and is not supposed to fully function like one, specifically the GPU.

Yes, by itself the PS3's GPU it is weaker than the XBOX 360's GPU, but the PS3 is not supposed to run on the GPU alone....it wasn't made to do that, not for best results. The PS3 was specifically made to use the GPU and the Cell Processor. That's why the Cell Processor does floating point better than any other AMD or Intel, i7 or otherwise, to date.

You keep refering to the GPU, and long story short, for the PS3, you are only talking about half of the PS3's proverbial equation.

The bottom line, if you add up the total Flops and total power that the PS3 has vs the total Flops and power that the XBOX 360 has, the PS3 shows that it can do more than the XBOX 360.

What I don't understand is, Why is anyone arguing this?

There was an article and the writer was comparing the differences between the PS3 and XBOX 360, and when he came to the online section, he talked about things he liked and disliked about both PSN and XBOX LIVE. But there was a part where he was trying to explain his frustrations about not being able to find stuff he wants in the PSN store, in this case, he was refering to add on game content, such as DLC. Here's what he said...

On PS3 you can search for terms but navigating around the PS Store is not nearly as logical and uncomplicated as you would like.

For example, if you're looking for add-on content for a certain game there's no easy way to bring up only the items related to that game. Instead, expect to get dozens of search results for whatever keyword you search for. On the 360 Marketplace you can at least bring up whatever content relates to the game in question, although they've recently removed this from the 'My Xbox' row and put it somewhere else.

I had this exact same discussion with someone a couple of days ago, but I gotta tell you, if you can't find the add on DLC you want, you are clearly doing something wrong.

As I'm looking in the store, it's labled to where a 7 year old can find it. It reads, on the left hand side:

PLAYSTATION PLUS

NEW RELEASES

GAMES

VIEW ALL BY TITLE

DEMOS

ADD-ONS

MEDIA

THEMES & AVATARS

From there, If you want "Add-Ons", everything by the specific game in alphabetical order. How is that rocket science? Why would you even waste your time hitting a search button?

Clearly some people are doing something wrong....for real.

--my take

For the record, Naughty Dog has made RPG's and Kart Racing on top of their 3rd person shooter(s) and platforming. Heck....they've even made a crappy fighting game before

They have shown proficiency across multiple genres...that's why Naughty Dog had made the list.

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

Bioware = 0 AIAS GOTY Awards

Blizzard = 1 AIAS GOTY Award

Naughty Dog = 1 AIAS GOTY Award

FatCatPatRat

All right then, if AIAS GOTY awards are what dictates who is the best developer, then Infinity Ward, according to you, is in fact the best developer of all time (Cod 1 and Cod 4 both won it).

You're really grasping for straws aren't you?

There's a few reasons they aren't making the list. 1 genre...virtually defunct, not a whole lot of history.

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]

Bioware = 0 AIAS GOTY Awards

Blizzard = 1 AIAS GOTY Award

Naughty Dog = 1 AIAS GOTY Award

jg4xchamp

You've brought some good points.

I'm actually fairly impressed by you even knowing what the AIAS awards are.

Props to you.

But I have a question...what's wrong with the competition in 2008?

Also, the one thing I can't help to give a personal deduction from Bioware, All of their Great games seem to be all from pretty Much from 1 genre.

Bioware = 0 AIAS GOTY Awards

Blizzard = 1 AIAS GOTY Award

Naughty Dog = 1 AIAS GOTY Award

[QUOTE="Unnatural101"]Crash 3 is AAA on Metacritic

foxhound_fox

Naughty Dog = 4 AAA total titles.

And again, Uncharted 2 is what catapults them into the stratosphere.

They definitely deserve to be on the list.