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#1  Edited By Wickerman777
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@loe12k said:

Playstation 3 was more powerful than the 360. Wasn't the PS3 GPU 1.8 teraflops and the 360 GPU was 0.25 teraflops. Devs had a hard time developing for the PS3 because of the Cell microprocessor, i believe.

Playstation 4 is the same more powerful than the xbox one.

If the Scorpio turns out to be more powerful its a huge change. Sony will have a inferior machine?

Umm, you've got your numbers pretty mixed up there. PS4 is 1.8 tflops, not PS3. Sony claimed a bunch of gflops for Cell that rarely could be seen in actual games. About the only time its alleged superior power showed up was in a few exclusives that had been in development for an eternity. Most stuff ran better on 360.

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People on here have called me nuts in the past when I've brought this up but I'm saying it again: If these new consoles come out and if they're as powerful as is being claimed I think developers will get a heck of a lot more ambitious with the stuff they're making and a lot of the new games that come out will end up running clear down at 720p/30 on the original PS4 and X1.

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@tormentos said:
@Wickerman777 said:

I don't know if it will be 6 tflops but if neo is already done being designed and MS knows what it can do it makes sense that they'd make sure X1.5 is more powerful. Don't know how much more powerful but being second is an advantage if you know what the target is you've got to beat. This is what's so great about competition. Wouldn't be getting new machines this good if these two weren't going after one another.

Oh sure they have the advantage of 1 year to make Scorpio more powerful,but with a 36CU GPU like the PS4 that would not be the case,so i am sure they will use probably a 40CU one with higher clock speed,which will created a frame disparity between both at the same settings much like now the xbox one and PS4.

But the problem with that is 1 year head start on sony will probably make scorpio a loss cause for MS,and will also give sony a price advantage to MS because stronger hardware cost more,alto i say the difference in price should be small depending on the clock speed CU and size of the machine.

Well, MS could pricematch easily if they wanted to. They have a lot more disposable cash than Sony does. Depends on if profits or marketdhare is more important to them. They've gone in either direction at different points in the past.

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@Treflis said:

Which is why I'm refusing to get windows 10 out of sheer principle and spite at this point. The whole "free update" is over at the end of July thankfully.

Though considering how they've used strong arm tactics so far, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if after July Windows 10 would still autoinstall but then also prevent you from using the computer until you'd paid a fee for having the Windows 10 OS.

Well, having used it a couple of weeks now I'm actually glad it autoupdated. I don't know if a problem is gonna arise at some point, haven't noticed anything yet. But so far I think it's definitely an improvement over W7.

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@tormentos said:
@delta3074 said:

will it install games faster? instal times. especially if you have to update as well, are a joke.

And 6tf is no the best news, at least with the Neo it's close enough to the original Ps4 not to render the original Ps4 obsolete and it will probably be a lot more expensive than the original Xbox one.

6tf seems like unnecessary overkill as well, like hitting a Fly with a big ass sledgehammer.

Is not 6TF the article claimed that because Polygon again mess up but is 4X xbox one and that is 5.2 IF MS isn't inflating its numbers again,since they claim the xbox one was 10 times stronger than the 360 and we know that is not true is more like 5 times.

Don't forget the infinite power of the cloud and DX12 crap,MS hasn't being honest when it comes to power this gen.

Which is my biggest problem with the claim,i hope is not just empty strategy to try to kill hype for neo,from what i saw both will have a 36CU GPU which only difference would be speed,so i don't think a near 2TF gap will exist between both units,if they use the same GPU with the same amount of cores.

If MS want 6TF it would need a 40CU GPU not 36CU like i saw on a screen being posted here.

Well if they do like neo there is no problem regardless of the gap,because the games simple adjust setting according to what you have,so 1 game fit all scenarios just like PC,but if the Scorpio doesn't fallow this line and you have to buy a version or scorpio and a version for XBO then that mean problem,because that put the xbox one in the same place the 360 was when the xbox one arrived,you get a different version which one day may not come at all.

MS can do what sony is doing after all that is how it works on PC,so i hope they don't shoot them self in the foot and go for different versions instead of 1 size fits all approach.

@ronvalencia said:

4X x 1.31 TF = 5.24 TFLOPS.

For 5.24 TFLOPS target with 36 CUs, it would need about 1150 Mhz clock speed.

Polygon has stated the following

1. "more than four times as powerful".

2. "The current performance target for Microsoft's Scorpio is approximately 6 teraflops"

Well that is perfectly doable and make allot of sense,so both have polaris 10 with 36CU,and the difference would be clock speed Neo is say to be 911,if your calculation is correct Scorpio will need 1150mhz they are not that apart.

Do you think sony will go for it and rise the clock speed.? I don't really think they will but who knows knowing how easier is to have higher clocks on Polaris who knows.

Yes and i already explain to you why that more than 4X is vaporware.

You don't say 4X if your machine is closer to 5X than to 4X Ron.

5.2TF is further from 6TF than 6.5TF is from 6TF.

TARGET many people miss those and MS constantly has miss those this gen,specially with the 10X claim for the xbox one over the xbox 360 and the infinite power of the cloud that turned into dust.

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You don't seem to understand the concept of they learned their lesson, they're in the position they're in right now because of decisions like DRM and they're well aware of it, why do you think they're now in the process of one upping Sony...

They are not in a process of one upping sony,in fact Scorpio having a vague holiday 2017 launch proves my point to the mass MS is just responding to sony rather than one upping sony,if Neo release this year like some article claims Scorpio will be here 1 year late,you know what a time advantage does on sony hand right.?

Last time Sony went ahead of Nintendo it blew it the N64 and GC appart,last time Sony went ahead of MS it blew it apart as well,a 1 year advantage on sony's had is brutal and devastating for the competition,even more this gen since Neo is a PS4 not a successor,so every unit sold count toward that PS4 count.

Power wise from what we are seeing both will use Polaris 10,a graph show MS talking about a 36CU ,rumors haves sony with the same GPU as well 36CU,that mean Scorpio and Neo will have the same GPU right down to CU count,the only difference there could be is clock rates,if both machines have a 36CU GPU don't expect Scorpio to be more than a few frames faster than Neo.

I don't know if it will be 6 tflops but if neo is already done being designed and MS knows what it can do it makes sense that they'd make sure X1.5 is more powerful. Don't know how much more powerful but being second is an advantage if you know what the target is you've got to beat. This is what's so great about competition. Wouldn't be getting new machines this good if these two weren't going after one another.

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Yeah, I'd been telling it no forever cuz I've been satisfied with W7 but a week or two ago it autoupdated to 10 while I was at work. Was pissed at first but having used it for a little while now I like it so far.

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6 tflops? I find that hard to believe.

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Oh geez, you guys gonna make this about gun control? Had the gun not been there the headline would be "man stabs and kills brother in row over cheeseburger". Big deal.

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She should be prosecuted because she got hacked? Yup, that makes total sense.

I can't believe how clueless some of you are. You're not even the first one in here to say that. She should be arrested for having classified data in a place she knew she shouldn't have.

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If she wasn't Hillary Clinton she would have been arrested months ago. But she is so she won't be.