I know what a flop is. What I wasn't aware of is that 12 yo's around here decided to redefine the word for God knows what reason. That's fine, go ahead and look like idiots to anyone that casually visits this board.

Lol, now nobody can discuss a real flop on this board without it being confused with your fake definition of flop. :)

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@PAL360 said:

Not any time soon, TC. With some exceptions, like Star Citizen, these consoles will be capable of doing anything on PC for the next 3 or 4 years.

Sure, they aren't as powerful as some PCs, but they are still 10 or 12 times more powerful than last gen consoles.

Consoles not gonna have better graphics.

PS4 can´t even run Crysis with max settings and 1080p and 60fps.

In fact Crysis still has better graphics(2007) than Uncharted 4.

I think those pics are unfair, lol. The Crysis captures are high quality, the Uncharted 4 pic is not.

They could have targeted $500 and everything would have been fine. People spend several hundred dollars on phones for cripe's sake. The dollar has lost 40% of it's value since the old consoles launched back in 2005 and 2006. That makes a $400 console 40% worse now than it would have been then. You can't release a $400 console nowadays without it being crap, not if you're not going to heavily subsidize it. People would rather spend $100 more than be stuck with crap for the next several years.

I never expected the new consoles to match what high-end PC graphics cards can do. The power requirements of those cards alone make that impossible. But they could and should have matched mid-level PC rigs. Right around 2.5 tflops for the GPUs was certainly doable for the time they launched and I think gamers would have been satisfied with that but they cheaped out and targeted entry-level instead ... X1 did anyway ... PS4 is somewhere between entry and mid-level, not really squarely in the camp of either for a late 2013 launch. But that's just the GPU side of the equation. In terms of the CPUs these don't qualify even as entry-level.

Then the life you're leading is a lot more cartoony than mine. I'm not saying that game looks bad but I've never seen a game that looks real.

And it's because of stuff like this that I feel it was a mistake by Sony and MS to limit themselves to such cheap hardware like they did. They could have sunk $100 more into their APUs and charged $500 for the machines (Minus Kinect) and everything would have gone fine and console gamers would have been a lot more pleased with what they got.

So far the word is it's a true console exclusive, that it'll never be on X1. But considering that the game will likely be relaunched half a dozen times who knows what might happen in the future.

Well, I don't know any PS owners that are that attached to their accounts either (And 1 of the 2 guys I mentioned has both systems. He's obsessed with his XBL gamerscore but doesn't care at all about his PS3 trophies). But that's probably because Sony's profile system is not as good. There are plenty of Xbox guys that are big-time into their achievement scores. The system hits the same kind of nerve that chasing high scores back in the arcade days did. The system is brilliant and that's why they care about it so much.

I mentioned the achievements thing a minute ago but I personally know 2 people who refuse to abandon the Xbox brand solely because they don't want to lose their Xbox profile. Believe it or not.