Well yeah, I'm disappointed in both of them as well. I was expecting consoles in line with the power of AMD's 7870 which would put their graphics processors in the 2.5 tflops range. I knew they wouldn't match high-end PCs cuz those graphics cards are ridiculously expensive and suck up a ton of power. But 2.5 tflops seemed doable. When I found out it was gonna be 1.8 and 1.3 tflops, and coupled with very weak mobile CPUs to boot, I thought "Are ya kidding me?!" But at least PS4 is somewhat in the realm of respectability. They got 75% of the way there and picked quality memory. X1 is a disaster all the way around hardware-wise.

You can look at it that way I suppose but I don't see Sony that way. I see a company on the verge of bankruptcy pretending to be incredibly nice out of desperation. This isn't the same Sony we've always had. Remember Sony after PS2 ... right before the launch of PS3? Very different Sony indeed. Kinda MS-like in fact. They're putting on the face they are because they're currently losing money every year and MS is wearing the face it has because they are making billions every year. Swap the profit margins and the public attitudes would change places at the same time.

C'mon, neither system has jack as far as games go. But it's always like that for a few years with new consoles. My only beef with X1 is the terrible hardware. Unfortunately that's the one thing they can't change. :( I think that in regards to everything else they've been doing things better than Sony so far. They're unquestionably supporting their OS better, frequently adding features while Sony drags their feet.

Well, isn't that honesty? Seems to me that honesty is a better quality than being pretentious is.

I agree that X1 is badly designed junk but what's so bad about MS and great about Sony? Corporations, especially the publicly traded ones, care about one thing and one thing only: money. Sony is exactly the same way, just not nearly as competent at making it as of late as MS is.

If Spencer is half as smart as people claim he is he'd convince Mistwalker to do a sequel to Lost Odyssey. That's one game that might cause me to look past X1's horrible hardware and get it.

Will still be the same shitty APU and memory in there a year from now ... a decade from now ... a century from now.

And what really gets my goat is that Epic Games told them this hardware was a mistake. Tried to convince them to improve it. But MS just ignored them.

^This

Turned around? Are you kidding? It's getting smeared. Had the hardware been competently designed it would be #1 in NA right now ... for sure. If not the world it was poised to be the market leader in NA and MS blew it. Everybody I know is disappointed with the hardware. Some of them have changed camp altogether because of it (As I intend to do) and a few have went ahead and bought X1 anyway because they didn't want to abandon the profile they've spent the last 8 years building up and/or because they know people on XBL. But they do it unenthusiastically, begrudgingly. I don't physically know a single person that says "This console is great!"