People hate it because they totally botched the hardware design.

And that's coming from someone that hasn't owned a Sony console since PS1. Will be getting a PS4 when there's games worth playing available for it (Probably when Witcher 3 comes out) but I don't like it ... MS has forced it on me.

There's nothing MS can do now. X1's fate was sealed once the rumored specs turned out to be a reality. Were the X1 more powerful or at least as powerful as PS4 these sales numbers would be very different.

You make no sense. If a cut-down 7870 is not a 7870 than a cut-down 7790 is not a 7790! They both have the same cuts. 7790 on PC has 14 working CUs, on X1 it has 12 working CUs. That's a difference right there. Additionally, the PC version runs at a higher clock. The difference between a 7870 in PC and what's in the PS4 have exactly the same differences as that between a 7790 in PC and what's in X1: 2 less working CUs and a lower clock. If in your opinion what's in PS4 is akin to a 7850 than likewise what's in X1 is akin to a 7770. You can't have it both ways.

X1 architecturally = 7790 with 2 less functioning CUs and a lower clock. Because of those cutbacks real-world performance = 7770.

PS4 architecturally = 7870 with 2 less functioning CUs and a lower clock. Because of those cutbacks real-world performance = 7850.

It works the same for both of them!

It is not exactly a 7790. It has 2 less functioning compute units and runs at a lower clock. That's like saying PS4 is exactly a 7870 since it also has 2 CUs disabled and is running at a lower clock.

I wasn't talking about your GPU, didn't even pay attention to it. Was talking about PC GPUs in general, specifically the high-end ones. And X1 is not equivalent to a 7790. Architecturally it's similar but the PC version is clocked in a way that gives it several hundred extra terraflops of performance. X1 is only 1.3. And I disagree with your 1080p vs 900p figure. More like 900p vs 720p. PS4 has been running quite a few 1080p games on old engines. Once next-gen gets into full gear and real games start coming out for it regularly that figure is going to be lower much of the time. A 1080p console it's not.

While I agree they aren't what they should have been (Especially X1) I never expected their specs to compete with high-end PC gpus. That's impossible given the cost and power requirements of graphics cards like that. But what they both could, and should, have done is aimed at a $500 price point with 24 functioning compute units in the GPUs and 12 Jaguar CPU cores instead of 8. Those would have been true 1080p machines and I totally believe people would have been willing to pay the extra $100 for them ($100 more for extra power, not freakin' Kinect). But there's no time machine to correct things so we've got what we've got. :(

This has always been obvious. Plenty of people like to believe getting to 1080p is a memory problem for X1 but it's just as much a graphics processing problem. Really it's a 720p console. And although lots of its games have been in 1080p so far PS4 is more of a 900p console imo. 2.5 tflops would have made for proper 1080p consoles.

8K gaming, lol. Are you planning on strapping the monitor to your face when playing those games?

I've actually been surprised by how well X1 has done up to this point. It's losing but not by as big a margin as I expected considering how badly they botched the hardware design. It's getting smoked in Europe but has been surprisingly competitive in America.

Is GS ever going to fix this weird glitch where your post says it's been edited when it hasn't?