[QUOTE="ZJI"]
I don't know what you call "established", if you want a mathematical proof then there isn't one.
SpaceMoose
You keep saying there is less to do in a turn, but I want some examples other than the things I mentioned, and thus far I haven't really seen any. Less to do how?
Corruption, that was a joke. Now having too many cities costs more money. Building new cities just to have them do nothing at all, that was always dumb. Again, you are taking something that is actually basically a non-choice and painting it as a positive. Do you want to build a city that doesn't really do anything (except maybe under Communism IIRC)? Almost never (unless you need a city at a choke point or something) so how does that really make the game better? You realize there's a reason they changed this stuff, right? Because most people though it was stupid.
spacemoose
I said to fix the way they work, not put the exact same thing back again. ZJI
They did fix it. They made it deduct money from your overall economy instead, which is why rush building towns too fast can really screw your economy. Boom, fixed.
That doesn't even make sense, I said I dislike Civilization IV the most. Especially if your expectations are according to the year of release, that is games released later should be better as technology/experience improves.
ZJI
I don't understand why you even bought the new one if you never liked the series in the first place, which is what you said: "I never liked any of the civ games, especially CIV4." So you played the new one anyway for whatever reason and thought it was worse. Fine, if you don't like the game, whatever. I'm not going to try to convince you to like it. That's just pointless and I don't really care what games you prefer playing. That doesn't mean it is "dumbed down" from the previous ones. I mean, did you keep playing it even though you don't like the series? How are you even that familiar with all of the gameplay mechanics if you've barely even played them...or do you always play games that you don't like to the point where you understand them thoroughly? Anyway, according to the overwhelming majority of Civ players it is better,in a lot of ways.
So now all of a sudden expansion packs are relevant. :roll: spacemoose
Again, that doesn't even make sense, you just wrote a sarcastic cliche without context. I said that Civilization IV is too simple, and after two expansions, it finally gotten some decent depth added to it.ZJI
Why do you even keep playing this game that you claim not to like to the point where you actually get the expansions? You're not just another pirate whining about the games that they obtain illegitimately in the first place, are you?
GalacticCivilizations II was very rich in the first place.
ZJI
Again I fully disagree. I mean, it's rich, but I wouldn't say it's more rich than Civ IV. There are various reasons for this, such as not actually getting to choose where bases are located, not that it would matter much anyway since, with it being space, there is no terrain. There are not really specialized combat units to the extent there are in other strategy games. You have different weapons (and I already gave my view on that), but you don't have, say, air units and grounds units and sea units, for obvious reasons. On another note, the economic model is just blatantly illogical and broken with the way that increasing spending on production decreases it on labs, even if you have the money to support both.*
I never said that expansion packs are not "relevant', what ever what you intend that to mean. Twilight of the Arnor should be compared to Beyond the sword, as they are both second expansions to their respective games, and Twilight of the Arnor is much richer in content than Beyond the sword.
You keep writing insluts and cliches without context, it's hard to write a reply when you don't make any descriptive statements.
ZJI
Well, you said something to the effect that it shouldn't have taken two expansions (in your opinion) for Civ IV to acquire depth, but then you basically praised Galactic Civ 2's depth based on them making the races significantly different in their second expansion. (I don't really think the tech trees make that much of a difference so much as the super-abilities, personally, which is at least partially because you can trade for a lot of the techs, which you would be doing anyway, exclusive or not.) And I'll be the first to say that the first expansion to Civ IV was crap, which is why I never bought it. This is all getting way off of the topic at hand anyway, which is whether games are truly getting "dumbed down" or not.
You are fisking me, and taking my entire articles apart and out of context. I have no more interest in continuing this debate which does not make any sense.Furthermore, accusing me of being a "pirate" and why would I buy Civ IV if I didn't like III are completely random insults that deliberately goes off of topic.
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