^^ If true that's sad, cause the Indoctrination theory was a great one. As for the ending, why does everyone these days ALWAYS want to know EVERYTHING that happens???FelipeInside

Again no one wants to know EVERYTHING that happens, but right in the last 5 minutes of the game the entire Universe is significantly changed for ever. Look at it this way, you cured the Genophage right ? well it is pretty obvious what would happen in the future after the Reapers were defeated wasn't it ? I mean Wrex survives goes home and makes lots of babies with that Female Krogan ...... Ohhhhhh wait no that doesn't happen now because the Mass Relay's blew which means Wrex is cut off from his home world leaving the Krogans leaderless. That is naturally assuming destruction of the relays doesn't wipe out all the systems with a relay (as was shown in the Arrival DLC).

You see the thing is the whole of ME 3 was an ending but the problem is the last 5 minutes completely wipe out any closure fans got throughout the entire game. If we assume for a second that the relays did not wipe out the systems they were in, it still leaves the fact that interstellar transport is now screwed because in ME 1 we were specifically told that "without the Mass Relays interstellar transport would be impossible".

And how the hell do you know this? The ending had numerous unanswered questions.. Nonsensical parts to it, "mistakes" that couldn't be just chalked off to bad design.. And it was just unique to THIS specific scene.. The entire game was not filled with it.. And you may want to reword your responses next time because your sounding like a pompus fool that thinks they know all and is butt hurt by this.sSubZerOo

How about because they DROPPED IT, if you had read the "Mass Effect : final hours" app you would have seen that Bioware had intended for Shepard to be indoctrinated but they dropped it for technical reasons. Then there was this comment from Micheal Gamble :-

it illustrates how committed the fanbase is.Micheal Gamble

In other words the indoctrination theory is a FAN BASED theory the end of ME 3 is not indoctrination it is just what you said a bunch of unanswered questions, nonsensical parts and mistakes due to tight release dates. You want to know why it had a bunch of unanswered questions and nonsensical parts ? I will tell you, the whole ending (which was done between Mac Walters and Casey Hudson) was designed specifically with "speculation for everyone" in mind. That is they never intended to answer anything with the ending and left it wide open so people would speculate which kinda blew up in their face really.

I don't believe so. Since ME1 the Reapers haven't been able to STOP Shepard by any means (collectors, geth etc). So at the end they accept Shepard and try to convince him through dreams and the "boy experience". Sounds reasonable to me for such an advanced race.FelipeInside

The end is NOT a dream and it is NOT indoctrination theory. Those two ideas originated from the fans who couldn't cope with how crappy the ending is. THe ending is exactly what you saw on the screen. Now if you are happy with an ending full of plotholes, nonsensical rubbish and clear statements that crap all over Mass Effect lore then more power to you. However there are a lot of people that care about the series and the universe as a whole and they feel the ending certainly is not a fitting one to the Mass Effect universe.

What's next? Demanding refunds after a movie because you didn't liek the ending? Returning a book because you didn't like the ending? The guy you are replying to is right, it is mostly the younger geneartion who feel this entitled. It's an ending of a vdeo game for gods sake.... Endgame_basic

Firstly a movie is quite different to a $60 - $70 game. If you watch a movie with a crap ending then all you have done is waste $5 - $10 bucks and lost a couple of hours. However you will make damn sure you are more careful in the future with any movie that is produced by that director. The vast majority of those that do not like the ending of Mass Effect 3 are NOT seeking refunds, but hey lets not bother with that lets just concentrate on a the very few that are seeking refunds shall we :roll: .

All that is happening is those that enjoyed the Mass Effect series are saying "hey your end is crap, fix it or do not expect my custom in the future". This naturally of course makes them "entitled" and "spoilt" erm NO it makes them UNHAPPY customers.

Its been a demand of ownership. Look at the title of the group "Retake Mass Effect" - sure they can ask but that alone shows that there is some belief that the IP belongs to them. It does not. It is Bioware's production, which people can pay to be a part of.biggest_loser

Yes it is Bioware's product but at the end of the day it is the customer that is paying and if your customer is not happy then don't expect them to buy your products in the future. That is the essence of what a lot of people are saying "give us a decent, proper ending or you don't see our cash for anything in the future". There is nothing wrong with that

This is also to ignore the insurmountable number of rude and angry posts that are all over the Internet, demanding that the ending is changed. We never hear how good the rest of the game is.biggest_loser

It is also hard to ignore that the other camp that wants Bioware to stay true to their "artistic integrity" :roll: have been equally rude and produced an unprecedented amount of vitriol towards the take back movement. What makes it even worse is that a lot of the hate against the change ending campaign has been from so called "professional game journalists".

I don't buy the charity drive for a number of reasons. The charity shut it down because there was a lot of confusion. Arguably, they also closed it down because they realised that people were latching onto an organisation to draw awareness for their own cause rather than caring about sick kiddies. Hence, the number of people asking for refunds. That had to be cleaned up and organised.biggest_loser

I should point out that the owners of the Childsplay charity are Penny Arcade a website that has been quite scathing of the retake ME movement (before the whole charity fiasco). Again it depends on how you see things, you see it as them "latching on" now that is your view. Personally whilst I had no interest in this tactic I did follow the whole thing and it was done with the best of intentions. It was done because Mass Effect fans wanted to turn a negative into a positive and demonstrate to Bioware that there is a huge demand for a reworked ending and at the same time raise some cash for kids. It has been spoilt by a number of people now which is a shame and with hindsight it probably shouldn't have been done.

Just because they sent 400 cupcakes doesn't make them nice. It was a nuisance tactic to get attention. Unnecessary considering this was after Bioware said they would address the ending.

Lets be honest here, without disagreeing over wording: do you really think its mature to be so desperate to change a game ending that you start sending cakes and donations like this? Its just a video game..biggest_loser

It isn't a "nuisance" tactic it is a bit of fun and several Bioware people have even commented on the tactic and are actually finding it a very polite and nice way of ME fans getting their point across and they are looking foward to getting the cupcakes. But no lets ignore the fact that Bioware are appreciative of this form of feedback and totally rag on the "we want a changed ending brigade" shall we.

I personally think it is very mature that customers are telling a developer that they are not happy with the product they paid for and they want it fixed and they are doing it in interesting and novel ways. Yes it is just a video game but you find humans tend to care about the most frivolous of things and become passionate about them. You obviously don't give a toss about Mass Effect and there is nothing wrong with that but don't belittle and criticise those that do care about the franchise and want to see a PROPER DECENT ending to the series.

It all comes down to how you feel about the franchise, if you merely "enjoy" the franchise on the same level as any other game then the ending probably won't bug you all that much. It will still come across as a lame, cobbled together ending but you probably won't give it much thought after playing the game. However a lot of people really invested themselves in this series and that leads to strong views about how Bioware totally and utterly failed with regards to wrapping the ME franchise up.

Let me put it another way, I enjoyed Fallout 3 and I wasn't all that bothered about the ending (I thought it was crap but didn't really care). Now I wasn't going to criticise Bethseda all that much about the ending to Fallout 3 because whilst I wasn't a fan of the ending I wasn't "invested" enough in the game to give a crap. However there were those that were "invested" in the game and they did complain and Fallout 3's ending was changed (for the better personally).

Now with Mass Effect a series I am "invested" in and have poured hundreds of hours into 1 and 2 ordinarily I would care about the ending of ME 3 because it is an awful ending and does not do the series justice. The ending fails on every level we are not talking about 1 plot hole here we are talking about huge plot chasms, characters behaving completely contrary to their established characters, nonsensical motive gibberish and ideas that crap all over established lore from the last 2 games. The Mass Effect 3 ending fails in nearly every way possible.

All the fans that do not like the ending are doing is finding a creative way to express to Bioware that they are unhappy with the ending and want Bioware to look at it again. But like I said it doesn't matter how they try to get their point across they get criticised for it because they aren't behaving like "good little consumers".

I'm not generalizing, but you of all people (a gamer for 20 years) can agree that the new "breed" of younger gamers act this way.

Now I can't really keep on discussing the ending of ME3, since I have yet to finish it, but endings are endings, people are not always gonna like them.

FelipeInside

Yes you are generalising, I am not a new "breed" gamer I am an old time gamer and if I owned Mass Effect 3 I would be agreeing with the feelings of those that do not like the endings. Now from what I have seen the ME fans cannot catch a break no matter what they do. They started criticising the end and got called a whole manner of names and accused of being nothing but negative entitled whiners. So then they tried to make their campaign a little bit more positive by setting up donations and again they got criticised for that as well so they ended it. Now they have gone for a tongue in the cheek approach by sending 400 cupcakes to Bioware in a form that is fitting of the Mass Effect 3 ending and guess what ? yep that is right they are being criticised again by the media.

These guys have a legitimate complaint about a product they bought and they want it sorted out, but it seems these days as if that is "unacceptable" the attitude seems to be "behave like good little customers and be happy for what you get".

Now as you said "endings are endings" but the "ending" Bioware has produced can hardly be called an ending. They produced an ending that 90% of their customer base does not like (that is some damn achievement right there). There are clear problems with this ending that need to be fixed and ME fans are trying to find "creative" ways of expressing this. Naturally they of course should all be hanged at the gallows though, those pesky entitled whining gamers :roll:

To be fair this isn't really an Amiga it's just a PC with the Amiga name slapped on it. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen this happening with the Amiga name. I loved the Amiga, owned 3 of them but even I have to admit it's time is long since past now it is time to let it rest in peace.