No it doesn't, cores can do more then one thing at a time this day and age. If a single core of a bulldozer is 25% the power of a single core of a sandy bridge, then it's not going to be as powerful cause of hyper threading(which works). OK do the simple math here say a SB is the base line performance of 1 has 4 cores = 4, Bulldozer is .75 has 8 cores = 6, that s a big "if". that "if" BD is only 75% of SB performance wise. Chances are BD will be nearly the same or faster , I dont know where you come up with this idea or your you misunderstood of what I was saying. Now if your just comparing 4 cores vs 4 cores then you would have a wrong comparison. Its like comparing a dual core to a quad when each core performs very close to each other clock per clock.I don't doubt that bulldozer has the capacity to beat out sandy bridge, I'm saying more cores doesn't mean automatically better. SB-E if not Ivy Bridge will probably beat out Bulldozer with 4 to 6 cores at the same clocks.[QUOTE="configme"]
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Yes it does matter how many cores a cpu has.... Even if AMD bulldozer is 25% slower per core vs Sandy Bridge cpu's both have the same two threads per core ability, 8 cores is still greater then 4. that allows better multitasking, and better future options. The point is that if a cpu is close to the performance of another and has more cores it will out do the other when the software catchs up. Its just like when dual cores and quads came out years ago and everyone was like theres no need for quads theres no point yet those people who bought quad core cpu's are still able to get full use of them and have no issues running modern games and programs while those people who had dual core's have or will move on quads or more cores.
04dcarraher
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Doesn't matter how many cores a CPU has, It matters how much data they can process at a time. I've seen benchmarks and they aren't confirmed for real world testing. As for your i3 2100 vs 955 Phenom, they trade blows(2100 coming mostly on top)http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289.[QUOTE="configme"]
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04dcarraher
Yes it does matter how many cores a cpu has.... Even if AMD bulldozer is 25% slower per core vs Sandy Bridge cpu's both have the same two threads per core ability, 8 cores is still greater then 4. that allows better multitasking, and better future options. The point is that if a cpu is close to the performance of another and has more cores it will out do the other when the software catchs up. Its just like when dual cores and quads came out years ago and everyone was like theres no need for quads theres no point yet those people who bought quad core cpu's are still able to get full use of them and have no issues running modern games and programs while those people who had dual core's have or will move on quads or more cores.
No it doesn't, cores can do more then one thing at a time this day and age. If a single core of a bulldozer is 25% the power of a single core of a sandy bridge, then it's not going to be as powerful cause of hyper threading(which works).I'm talking about bulldozers too, you stated 8>4, which isn't true, if a 8 core bulldozer CPU is only able to trade blows against a 4 core sandy bride/ SB-E/ Ivy Bridge CPU, then I believe AMD has failed and is going about it the wrong way. They aren't utilizing their cores or making them much better, just adding more, but we don't know the peformance yet, so we'll have to see. yet you forget that those programs dont even take use of the other 4 cores.... So how is it AMD's fault again? In the most rescent benchmark Ive seen a bulldozer was nearly 20% faster then i5 2500k both at stock for MP4 encoding. How can they ultilize their cores when the programs dont take use of them and then AMD's FM2 socket bulldozers wil be vs Ivy while the AM3+ is versusing SB I rather have 8 true cores with two threads each then 4 cores with only 2 threads each. Once programs start using all 8 core cpu's Bulldozer will walk all over any quad core Intel has out. You can take for example an intel i3 2100 vs a Phenom 2 X4 955 for mp4 video encoding which uses all cores and that Phenom 2 will out perform that i3 2100. Even though that i3 is nearly 2x stronger clock for clock and has two threads per core vs Phenom's 1 per core.Doesn't matter how many cores a CPU has, It matters how much data they can process at a time. I've seen benchmarks and they aren't confirmed for real world testing. As for your i3 2100 vs 955 Phenom, they trade blows(2100 coming mostly on top)http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289.[QUOTE="configme"]
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] No Im talking about Bulldozers.... If the architecture and processing speed is even 25% close to the each other more cores is better in the long run. 04dcarraher
[QUOTE="configme"]Thats a pretty big facepalm comment. The amount of cores has nothing to do with how well it processes. Some i5s and most i7s beat out all phenom II x6s. Ivy Bridge will probably beat out bulldozer if Sandy Bridge-E doesn't. No Im talking about Bulldozers.... If the architecture and processing speed is even 25% close to the each other more cores is better in the long run. I'm talking about bulldozers too, you stated 8>4, which isn't true, if a 8 core bulldozer CPU is only able to trade blows against a 4 core sandy bride/ SB-E/ Ivy Bridge CPU, then I believe AMD has failed and is going about it the wrong way. They aren't utilizing their cores or making them much better, just adding more, but we don't know the peformance yet, so we'll have to see.[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Lets see 8>4?04dcarraher
[QUOTE="Whiteknight19"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Na, build a Bulldozer system instead, 7000's are coming out by the end of the year or early next year and 600's will be out I think mid next year. 04dcarraher
whats the point of getting a bulldozer if its just gonna be as fast as a 2600k i would just go n get a sandybridge and wait on the ivybridge considering some motherboads is gonna be supporting ivybridge
Lets see 8>4? Thats a pretty big facepalm comment. The amount of cores has nothing to do with how well it processes. Some i5s and most i7s beat out all phenom II x6s. Ivy Bridge will probably beat out bulldozer if Sandy Bridge-E doesn't.The stepping might be better then a 2600k.
Thanks a lot for the quick responses guys! I'm inclined to go the GTX560 Ti route, as I've never owned an NVIDIA card, but theSapphire Toxic 6950 2gb sounds pretty amazing. If newegg restocks those I will be forced to pick one up, despite the higher price.
On another note, seeing as these aren't top of the line GPUs how do you think the GTX560 Ti and 6950 will hold up as games become more graphically demanding? How long do you think I can get solid performance out of these cards at higher settings?
Revolution_DDM
It will last for a while.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127578
Fastest 560Ti out there, can be on par with a 570. If you could find one, the Sapphire Toxic 6950 2gb is the best bang for the buck, considering it can turn into a 6970 with the flick of a switch, but I don't think they have any anywhere at the moment.
hartsickdiscipl
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125369
Actually the Gigabyte 560 Ti SOC-950 is slightly faster due to faster memory clocks. Unfortunately they're out of stock on newegg! That MSI Hawk is the one that I'd get from the in-stock selection.
I meant for around the price.
For a mid range build, yes. You can upgrade it later if you want to.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127578
Fastest 560Ti out there, can be on par with a 570. If you could find one, the Sapphire Toxic 6950 2gb is the best bang for the buck, considering it can turn into a 6970 with the flick of a switch, but I don't think they have any anywhere at the moment.
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