[QUOTE="dblin"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="dblin"]

I never was arguing that the wii was exclusionary in any way. If you honestly think that carnival games was developed with gamers in mind then you fail. Rockstar make games for gamers, bungie makes games for gamers, insomniac makes games for gamers that was my point.

Always-Honest

so now YOU are saying who's a gamer and who's not?.. you're not a gamer.. you are just a "person" that only DARES to play shooters.

Oh because of the developers I named I only like shooters. Well I do like shooters that are good. More than anything I love games, Metal Gear, Street Fighter, Smash Brothers, Final Fantasy, God of war, Gran Turismo, Dead Rising. If I loved only shooters than I would not be a gamer, I respect games and not hardware and I will be the first to hate on FPSophiles. I think you are frustrated like me that gaming is getting pigeon holed into kiddy and shooter.

no, you like games were you can act like tough guy.. not games in general. You are worried that playing Mario will make you look like a kid, while Mario isn't even a kids game.. it just has stylised graphics.

Does the Wii have kids games, yes. but kids deserve games to, just like old people, just like everyone.

The Wii is expanding the gaming audience so it becomes a normal thing in everyones life like Music, reading, movies, etc. all media that have variety so that everyone can find something to their personal liking.

Can you please stop telling me what I like to play.

I believe that books and movies are not described as being kiddy. I want to play the Gone with the wind of games, I want to play the Shakespeare of games. I want guys like Hideo Kojima to be known for their great works. But, and this is my point games get pigeon holed as being for kids, it is an ignorant opinion and something nintendo does not help.

Bu bu but teh wii is increasing the gaming audience. Yeah well Shrek 2 is one of the highest grossing movies of all time.

[QUOTE="dblin"]

I never was arguing that the wii was exclusionary in any way. If you honestly think that carnival games was developed with gamers in mind then you fail. Rockstar make games for gamers, bungie makes games for gamers, insomniac makes games for gamers that was my point.

Always-Honest

so now YOU are saying who's a gamer and who's not?.. you're not a gamer.. you are just a "person" that only DARES to play shooters.

Oh because of the developers I named I only like shooters. Well I do like shooters that are good. More than anything I love games, Metal Gear, Street Fighter, Smash Brothers, Final Fantasy, God of war, Gran Turismo, Dead Rising. If I loved only shooters than I would not be a gamer, I respect games and not hardware and I will be the first to hate on FPSophiles. I think you are frustrated like me that gaming is getting pigeon holed into kiddy and shooter.

i have the wii and think its more of a party console, like rock band is; the only time i play the wii is when other people are overcaligamer

Agreed... not for gamers

Oh and for those wondering I own PS3 Wii 360 PS2 PSP DS GC PSX SNES and DC... so I reserve the right to compare and critique ;)

[QUOTE="TheMistique"][QUOTE="kruesader"]Blog it. Seriously, this is an old argument and like it or not, the Wii is a success and there are lots of great games for all ages on itkruesader

Point being?

The point I took from it is that hardware can be successful when it does really deserve any merit... Kidding :)

[QUOTE="dblin"]

Look, it just annoys me that nintendo hide behind this thin veil of "innovation." It was there failure to innovate anything for so long that caused them to be bottom of the rung for two successive generations. No gamer would judge the wii as being the best console on the market it's not even made for gamers. Nintendo have churned out the same stuff for years now, admittedly some of it is high quality. For heaven's sake though Mario Baseball?!?!

I want the games industry to move away from this notion of being for kids. I want stories with strong narratives, deep plots and adult concepts. The industry was moving in that direction and now is being conflicted by the wii. I don't think the wii is a kiddy console but people tend to draw that inference from it. I own all consoles and never touch the wii, nintendo fanboys kinda scare me. I do not want to be slapped with their sweaty palms and have retainers thrown at me so.... ummmm wii is great :?

jangojay

The wii is the only console that actually potrays gaming to be for everyone of any age sooo you fail?

I never was arguing that the wii was exclusionary in any way. If you honestly think that carnival games was developed with gamers in mind then you fail. Rockstar make games for gamers, bungie makes games for gamers, insomniac makes games for gamers that was my point.

Look, it just annoys me that nintendo hide behind this thin veil of "innovation." It was there failure to innovate anything for so long that caused them to be bottom of the rung for two successive generations. No gamer would judge the wii as being the best console on the market it's not even made for gamers. Nintendo have churned out the same stuff for years now, admittedly some of it is high quality. For heaven's sake though Mario Baseball?!?!

I want the games industry to move away from this notion of being for kids. I want stories with strong narratives, deep plots and adult concepts. The industry was moving in that direction and now is being conflicted by the wii. I don't think the wii is a kiddy console but people tend to draw that inference from it. I own all consoles and never touch the wii, nintendo fanboys kinda scare me. I do not want to be slapped with their sweaty palms and have retainers thrown at me so.... ummmm wii is great :?