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#1 deleteduser198
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It is often suggested that android is just a copy OS, little do people realise the things that android did first things that have eventually became the standard for competitors as well.

1. The revolutionary notification center of android was a part of it from day one, nobody had done notifications like that before and eventually the competitors had to give in and adopt a similar style.

2. Over the air updates - now a standard throughout all platforms in the world this was something introduced by google from day one.

3. High resolution screen - many people falsely believe the iphone 4 was the game changer for smartphone resolution. It was not!! The motorola droid was the first phone which took a quantum leap over the screen resolution and general quality of previous phones and forced apple to get out of their comfort zone of the same screen for 3 years!!

4. Free turn by turn navigation, once again something that we now see is being copied by competitors.

5. Social network integration - once again now a standard for all platforms!!

There are lots more things but I have specifically listed things that got copied and things which influenced competitors to come back harder. I believe the list is going to get bigger in future, NFC was also introduced by google and could become the standard in the future for all platforms. Anybody who thinks android didnt innovate needs to think things more reasonably.

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1) Growl Notifications on OSX, 2006. 2) My Sidekick and Blackberry had OTA updates 3) HTC was the first to implement higher resolution. Even then, the HD and Moto Droid are not as high resolution as Retina display. Retina Display is an innovation in screen resolution. One that has everyone scrambling to match or outdo. 4) Hardly has to do with innovation more than it has to do with Google intentionally nerfing the same app on iOS due to conflict of interest. Hardly matters. 5) facepalm material. Remember how long it took for Android to even have a working FB app? More less FB Chat. What Microsoft is doing is more innovative than what Android has ever offered. Android started off as a blackberry and Palm OS rip, only to quickly imitate iOS literally right after its announcement.
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#2 deleteduser198
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No what I am talking about is a "disappointing" release not a failure, obviously an iphone launch cant just "fail". They said a playstation product couldnt disappoint either, look what happened to that brand!!

The point of the chart wasnt to praise or degrade apple, it's just something I found interesting. Nobody can deny that apple was the first to do alot of big things in the tech world but it is also true they have failed badly in the past after doing some incredible things. So many companies try to copy apple products but they dont understand that it's not the products which make apple so successful it's the business model and thats what really should be copied.

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Yes. It's the product that's successful. Take those blinders off. As for "copying" apples business model? :lol: Good luck with that. Apple has a legendary hold on the entire supply chain for every hardware line they offer. How is this possible? About 100 billion in their coffers and the five-year foresight to procure all these things before even telling us what the iPhone was four years ago.
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#3 deleteduser198
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

But for some time alot of apps will be incompatible with the new iphone, that'll be pretty interesting to see about the worlds most unified smartphone OS. ;)

Primary platform \\=\\ best platform. Consoles are the primary platform for most games yet PC provides better experience. Ya sure you get a bad port here and there but for most games PC is the way to go. Similarly with android the punny little iphone screen is no match for most high end android screens and hence you get a better gaming experience with 95% of the games. The likes of GTA3 and max payne feel a bit cramped on a 4" screen let alone a 3.5" screen.

Android tablets lack support so far and are really no match for ipad in tablet optimized apps. But phones are a different story I dont know of a SINGLE app that is incompatible with galaxy S2 and galaxy nexus.

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What are you even going on about? Every time I see another one of your posts I just am left almost without words. You are a caricature.

iOS holds a significant lead with developer interest, because they can make money to support themselves and their work more easily on iOS. This isn't debatable. This is just interesting news.

So what are those significant apps that are not on android? Because if you cant show that then all your claims about developer interest blah blah is completely irrelevant.

And what I was saying above is that better developer support does not always mean better experience when there are inherent limitations in the hardware.

"Claims?" These aren't claims. They're facts backed by solid evidence that were conveniently provided to you. However, you refuting empirical data backed up by just you saying "I don't see it," THAT'S a claim. One that you can't back up other than using "self-experience" as your anchor. facepalm
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http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-25/news/31397102_1_ios-ipad-sales-apple

http://legalnews.findlaw.com/article/07Zm84c4XlbVH

http://www.techinvestornews.com/Apple/Latest-Apple-News/apple-ios-market-growth-doubles-android-over-last-three-months-report-says

And we're only a few months away from iPhone 5.

/android

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"universal search" is touching on Apple's "spotlight search" algorithms. Spotlight was developed on OSX a decade ago, and quite literally exposed how limited Windows "searching" was. So much, in fact, that years later, Windows introduced its own algorithm that was similar (yet not infringing on Apples own technique" in windows Vista, and smoothed out the edges in Windows 7.

The universal search (or Spotlight) in iOS is an extension of Apples own Algorithm, that Microsoft is still privy of not infringing on.

Yes. Apple developed TRUE universal search, for others to follow. If Google just took Microsofts approach and developed its own algorithm that could compete rather than simply imitating, then they wouldn't have these patent issues they're facing. Is Microsoft being sued? Nope.

I personally think it's a shame that the Nexus was blocked. Then again, if Samsung or Google took more time to think these things through and be mindful of intellectual property, then they'd be like Microsoft. Not having to worry.

Google already pays Microsoft for each Android device it sells. It would be quite literally telling if Google came to agree to pay cross-licensing fees to Apple. Google has to rely on licensing techniques from Microsoft and Apple to stay competitive. Doesn't sound much like an innovative company to me. Microsoft does a better job at innovating.

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#6 deleteduser198
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I know good old Steve was right with flash being dead. I just wish the web would hurry up with HTML 5 already.blanewarlock
Flash was dead four years ago. Only Fandroids touted it as something remotely considered a "necessity."
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If ios is so strong why is it Apple can hardly go a month without taking either htc or samsung to court trying to stop their phones being sold for so called patent infringements? Apple has copied just as much from Android as Android has copied from ios. imprezawrx500
Probably the same reason Microsoft did what they did to be considered the first software monopoly, or the same reason Google messes with its search algorithms to better serve itself and impede competition: To stay ahead. Yet ironically, these are legitimate patents that are legitimately holding up in legitimate court hearings producing legitimate results. Must mean something.
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#8 deleteduser198
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

You just couldnt deal with my analysis which destroyed the conclusion you were trying to make from that report. :lol:

The report isnt wrong it's just that the comparison cant be done like that because android has vastly more versatile selection of apps available and a certain portion of users who frequently have to uninstall apps to create space for something else.

What is "quality" of an app? Apps can do 10x more on android than what they are allowed on iOS. Thats quality for me and quality of the OS. This just is!!!

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No intelligent developer would base their practices on what you perceive to be a good quality app. They'll follow the money. You're point of view is too selfish to be worth sharing.

Booo booo nothing you guys say is stopping the app growth on android. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the quality of the non-gaming apps and support for them.

And while gaming is second best it is pretty damn good in it's own right, I only need a smartphone to kill time not to take it in my basement. PC/PS3/Xbox serve that purpose very well. I have such a huge backlog of quality games on my phone it almost seems pointless to me that iOS has more games.

You can't dispute hard evidence brandished by solid market analysis, and so like a little boy you clasp your ears saying "neener neener! I can't hear you I can't hear you!" Not a good look. Gaming on an Android is not second best. Particularly when it's a pretty rare that you'll find someone else to play multiplayer with. I believe the 3DS or PSP take second best, with Android a distant third.
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#9 deleteduser198
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TechCrunch details this revelation really well:

techcrunch.com/2012/06/30/steve-jobs-war-against-flash/

The user comments in that article really contribute, as well.

Further evidence that Apple knew exactly what it was doing:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

Apple had a lot to do with Flash coming into obsolesence as fast as it did. The transition would have lasted much longer without the push. Thank God it's over now.

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http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/30/steve-jobs-war-against-flash/

An interesting article that details how Apple knew its stuff.

Steve Job's Thoughts on Flash:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/