[QUOTE="kraken2109"]Just taking away Lean from Stalker would completely change the game. To be honest its as good as ruined i think. Keep telling myself to wait and see but just thinking logically about it defeats all hope. Well if they take away lean it would mean the enemies would have to be less challenging to compromise......it would also mean they are altering game elements to cater to consoles which in turn would mean a gimped inventory system, smaller levels etc etc.....please keep lean GSC!!! :PWe all said Crytek were gods, and nothing bad would happen to Crysis 2.
I'm fearing the worst.
This way maybe i can be pleasantly surprised.
Hopefully the PC won't lose out on controls, since stalker (like crysis) uses more buttons than controllers have.
jwsoul
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[QUOTE="dom2000"][QUOTE="15strong"]I think we should swap "consolization" to "CODisation"......dumbing down games to appeal to the terrible attention spans of the majority of gamers who are attracted to games like COD with no depth at all.....this type of gamer just happens to be more common on consoles however looking at the top sellers on steam and seeing map packs for COD in the top3 for weeks on end tells me this type of gamer most certainly not just exclusive to consoles. Stalker in its current form would no where near appeal to this type of gamer....actually having to use their brains to navigate a world, contemplate a storyline, no constant action and combat enemies with at least a degree of challenge.....no...if GSC do a Crytek and try to appeal to these people Stalker as we know it is doomed. I agree! Stalker is the last great single player immersive fps. Before we had devs like looking glass, irrational , ion storm, (and some others) making intelligent pc games that requried strategy, patience, reading, inventory management, decision making, a non-linear world, etc... This type of thing is not what the general gamer public like, and frankly that sucks!! It is for this reason that I have been mostly playing old pc and ps1 games instead of console games. Games like SS2, thief, Deus Ex, Stalker all share similar ties, and I wish more devs made games like them...but it won't happen. Most devs are now ruled by their publisher and their committee design process with stringent time limits and crap cod catering tactics. We can wish :( I was playing SS2 a few weeks back and i can say gameplay wise it is still incredible if you can look past the very dated graphics....i had more fun playing that game that game than most games this gen!The STALKER series needs some changes. Some of the needed changes are going to be implemented and many will scream "consolization". Stalker has its fair share of problems and I personally think the series is overrated, but I guaruntee no matter what is done with the sequal, people will complain.
I also laugh at the people in here who think console players can't handle a game like Stalker.
Midnightshade29
[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Outside of graphics there is nothing about Stalker that couldn't be done on consoles. svenus97true,but do you think consoles gamers would enjoy the series the way it currently is? I'm sure some would, just like some wouldn't. Do you think PC gamers would enjoy Demons Souls ? Of course they would... they are all highly intellectual people who like a challenging game. Lol...all pc gamers are not highly intelligent ^^ It requires little intelligence to build a computer or keep it running well....just google "how to" and follow the simple instructions.
Looking into this alittle bit much arnt you? he said your a minority, he didnt say ALL. fact of the matter is a game like STALKER in its current form wont have wide spread appeal, the majority of casual gamers wont touch this, or will and hate it straight away. DNF avatar is probably for the lols.... he hasnt said every game you play has to be deep. but then even DNF has more variety than games like CoDs SP.[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="15strong"]
You're right. All console players are brain dead idiots. We all love COD.
I have said this before. You are talking about intellectual games and you support DNF. There is so much hypocrisy in your thinking and beliefs. You judge all console players as if you are better and more intellegent than them.
15strong
No, he supports the game. You pick up a turd, throw it at a wall, and get an achievement. Well I sure do feel intellegent after that one. No, I am not looking into this too much. The majority of PC gamers don't touch the Stalker series. We act as if their is a mass difference in the average console and PC gamer.
You actually make a great point here....i actually do agree with your than there is little difference between the average pc and console gamer...despite what hermits like to protray on this forum...poor games most certainly do sell on pc, as does overpriced garbage and dlc....i would nearly even be willing to say the average pc gamer probably doesnt even use mods or have even heard of them! And before anyone jumps down my throat for saying that...look at the downloads for even the most popular mods...not exactly staggeringly high!I think we should swap "consolization" to "CODisation"......dumbing down games to appeal to the terrible attention spans of the majority of gamers who are attracted to games like COD with no depth at all.....this type of gamer just happens to be more common on consoles however looking at the top sellers on steam and seeing map packs for COD in the top3 for weeks on end tells me this type of gamer most certainly not just exclusive to consoles. Stalker in its current form would no where near appeal to this type of gamer....actually having to use their brains to navigate a world, contemplate a storyline, no constant action and combat enemies with at least a degree of challenge.....no...if GSC do a Crytek and try to appeal to these people Stalker as we know it is doomed.[QUOTE="dom2000"][QUOTE="15strong"]
The STALKER series needs some changes. Some of the needed changes are going to be implemented and many will scream "consolization". Stalker has its fair share of problems and I personally think the series is overrated, but I guaruntee no matter what is done with the sequal, people will complain.
I also laugh at the people in here who think console players can't handle a game like Stalker.
15strong
Console players are not idiots. Get it out of your head. You are seriously insulting my intellegence. Am I allowed to enjoy COD and Stalker? Or am I too dumb to understand. And let's stop talking as if stalker is intellectually stimulating.
Well...lets put it this way...consoles attract idiots :) There is undoubtably more idiots on consoles than pc.... And no stalker is not intellectually stimulating lol it just requires abit more attention than a game like COD. I have a problem were i judge people to my standards...eg if someone finds Stalker too difficult on hardest settings i consider them crap at games....if someone struggles with portal i consider them an idiot...lol i guess im just a terrible person[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]
[QUOTE="15strong"]
I also laugh at the people in here who think console players can't handle a game like Stalker.
15strong
There aren't nearly enough scripted action HOLLYWOOD moments and explosions.
And I think there's no hand-holding in progressing so console players would easily get lost, and therefor bored. If a game requires you to read, it probably won't do well on consoles.
I really do laugh at you. It's sad that you feel that console players are so imcompetent that they wouldn't be able to handle Stalker. I'm a console player and I have no problem with it. The way to think and act just saddens me.
Well its stupid to lump all console gamers together...sterotyping is not a good thing :) Espically since i started off on consoles back on the N64 and im a very high level gamer (with a very high ego ^^)....but the fact of the matter is in general games that sell well on consoles are not very complex at all and are games that you can just jump in and play!I think we should swap "consolization" to "CODisation"......dumbing down games to appeal to the terrible attention spans of the majority of gamers who are attracted to games like COD with no depth at all.....this type of gamer just happens to be more common on consoles however looking at the top sellers on steam and seeing map packs for COD in the top3 for weeks on end tells me this type of gamer most certainly not just exclusive to consoles. Stalker in its current form would no where near appeal to this type of gamer....actually having to use their brains to navigate a world, contemplate a storyline, no constant action and combat enemies with at least a degree of challenge.....no...if GSC do a Crytek and try to appeal to these people Stalker as we know it is doomed.The STALKER series needs some changes. Some of the needed changes are going to be implemented and many will scream "consolization". Stalker has its fair share of problems and I personally think the series is overrated, but I guaruntee no matter what is done with the sequal, people will complain.
I also laugh at the people in here who think console players can't handle a game like Stalker.
15strong
[QUOTE="dom2000"][QUOTE="OB-47"]Well it is 100% linear with pretty poor gunplay....more than enough for many to scream consolised!!!! Linear =/= consolized. To me no, to hermits in system wars yes. Ive seen many complain that Crysis 2 is "consolised" cause its linear despite the fact that Crysis 1 is also linear as a stick. I think metros very simply gameplay, poor ai and basically poor in general actually minus the great graphics, atmosphere and setting kinda point towards consolisation...or at least the developers caring more about the visual aspect of the game. Ofcourse all a game needs is great graphics to be hailed by hermits in this forum as if graphics really matter....Metro 2033 didn't feel consolised at all even when it went on xbox 360, so I don't think so
ferret-gamer
[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]
I doubt it but some of the other hermits are going to whine about it being dumbed down the second it looks like something they don't agree with. GSC knows how to make good games without sacrificing important elements as shown in the previous entries.
NanosuitLover
I'm a stupid hermit huh?
Ranbow six, Crysis, Ghost Recon, Operation Flashpoint, Battlefield (temporarily through Bad Company)...and more take a step backwards in design when they make a new itearation for consoles. If S.T.A.L.K.E.R. (my favorite franchise ever) is ruined by console twerps, I am skeet shooting my 360 for revenge and giving up on gaming entirely because that will mean 18 year old frat boys with horrendously low gaming standards (and attention spans) will have destroyed one of the last great bastion of gaming depth and complexity in the action genre. And being an action gamer, I will becom crestfallen if that happens.
I agree, Stalker is the one of the greatest games ive ever played and it was probably last great pc exclusive fps left....if it is destroyed by multiplat development i think i might have to find a new genre to enjoy or just give up on gaming all together, it is becoming progressively worse and worse imo anyway.
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