jeez, evertime a ps3 exclusive is released they have to compare it to crysis, people should get it through there thick heads that niether the 360 or the ps3 can beat crysis graphics, they don't have the RAM, and they don't have the GPU's to do it, it is technically impossible for the 360 or ps3 to run a game like crysis at at that level, cocnsoles will NEVER beat the PC in the graphics department, to say otherwise just shows a complete lack of technical knowledge and common sense.delta3074

everyone, just keep quoting this. eventually it will sink into the stubborn minds.

[QUOTE="Munasha"]alot of people dont have their router right next to their console. Bluray players cost less than a PS3. do u want to take of a point for xbox's bought again before the warranty and the fact it had a year head startwashd123

and a lot of people dont have gaming pcs

Yeah thats true so youre right about that. But you cant say the PS3s Blu-Ray drive takes away value because it isnt needed. Games can actually take advantage of the capacity and again at this price point, its a bonus. But Im not sure if you were being serious about that or using that as a counter argument.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

maybe you could have done that in the past but now that both consoles cost the same, no.

washd123

why not? if youre going to count people having pcs why not count people having blu-ray players?

Lets not try too hard to make this an apples to apples comparison. Even if you dont watch Blu-Ray movies, games that you play can take advantage of Blu-Rays capacity. And like I said, at this price point, the Blu-Ray drive is a bonus. Maybe it wasnt a bonus when the price of the PS3 was $600 but now it is. And like what the guy above just said, not everyone has their PS3 next to a router. And not everyone keeps their PS3 in the same spot. I move my PS3 around to whichever room I want to play it in so Wifi is definitely useful.

And for most people, their Blu-Ray player will be their PS3.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

makes sense either way. i guess the correct thing to do is to take a point away from the 360s value. agree?

washd123

well no. unless you want to take away a point from the ps3 for poeple who have a blu-ray player or who dont use wireless.

maybe you could have done that in the past but now that both consoles cost the same, no.

MW2 is a fragging game. BC2 is a large scale, objective shooter. It depends on which type of game you like.

As far as graphics and presentation goes, MW2 wins hands down. I would like to say BC2 is better because I want to support the underdog but MW2 is too much of a beast and is on a roll.

But BC2 is very very fun and if you like large scale shooters that arent just deathmtaches then go buy it when its out.

[QUOTE="tirralirra"][QUOTE="washd123"]

which has nothing to do with ps3 v 360.

washd123

except this isnt about exclusives. its library v library.

ie a game thats on the 360 and not on the ps3 counts for the 360 regardless of what other platforms its on.

makes sense either way. i guess the correct thing to do is to take a point away from the 360s value. agree?

Well I own a PS3 and I think it beats the 360 in every possible category. I just created this thread to see what the Xbox owners have to say. So far Ive gotten games, online and controller. Here are mine.

Price - Equal in price.

Online - Free and does the job. Not even sure why people say LIVE is better. But having more players and most of them with mics may be a good thing.

Games - MGS4, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2. Top 3 Sony Exclusives IMO and cant be topped by any 360 exclusive. Until you play those 3 games, you really shouldnt talk bad about them or youre just a fanboy.

Features - Blu-Ray drive, internet browser, wifi adapter, slot loading drive, hard drive support for all systems are some of the things the 360 doesnt have.

Reliability - PS3. Cant argue with this after all those RRODs.

Controls - Definitely subjective but I prefer the analog sticks side by side. My thumb has to be stretched out to use the 360s left analog stick.

Hardware - Proven by those 3 exclusives.

Value - PS3 because of Blu-Ray support and a built in Wifi adapter. The 360 Wifi adapter costs $100. Thats an insult to customers because PC Wifi adapters cost $20-40. So you guys know how much Microsoft is ripping you guys off.

Compatibility - PS3 uses standard laptop hard drives. Xbox 360 hard drives are proprietary and cost a lot more.

Convenience - PS3 uses a power cable with no power brick. 360 has a huge power brick. PS3 has a slot loading drive. 360 has a cup holder.

I dont want to create anymore categories because this is getting boring. Thats just some of the stuff I can think of. Didnt include things like Home or Folding because this will be TLDR. Can you 360 kids counter this?

So can someone give reasons to why the Xbox 360 is better than the PS3? Ive seen all the reasons PS3 owners have given but I rarely see the Xbox 360 owners' reasons.

I usually see "360 rulez" or "360 has better games". I dont think Ive actually come across someone giving out bullet points.

try putting the 9800 in the other PCI-E slot. or swap out the 9800 for another video card. this is really weird.

I actually just wanna check. Is there any way to run a DX or GPU stress test easily? And im running a 9800GTX+, and windows 7 on DX 11. Can a problem arise from running DX 11 OS and that card maybe that cant support it? Im taking a wild swing at things here, or is it all ok?Burmercia

No its not a DX11 problem. You wouldnt even be able to select DX11 since your card doesnt support it. I have a DX10 card and Im running Windows 7 fine.

Check your GPU temperatures. Theres a program called EVGA Precision that will tell you the temps of you GPU. If that doesnt work, try putting your 9800 on the other PCI-E slot if there is one.