LOL. His name is ProjectNatalFan. Its no surprise he feels the way he does about Kinect.

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Why do designers charge more for their clothes?

Why do they charge for bottled water?

Why does Sony make expensive TV sets?

Why does Apple charge what they charge for their macs?

It's business. You don't like the price you go somewhere else. You aren't always going to like what someone charges for their goods. There's no sense being immature about it.

heretrix

Its hard to ignore this issue when Im seeing so many fellow gamers blindly being ripped off. Theres nothing immature about trying to convince others to spend their money in a smarter way. Whats immature is saying "Its business".

Im just a consumer who knows paying money for something free isnt smart. How about that?

Why do designers charge more for their clothes?

Why do they charge for bottled water?

Why does Sony make expensive TV sets?

Why does Apple charge what they charge for their macs?

It's business. You don't like the price you go somewhere else. You aren't always going to like what someone charges for their goods. There's no sense being immature about it.

heretrix

Its hard to ignore this issue when Im seeing so many fellow gamers blindly being ripped off. Theres nothing immature about trying to convince others to spend their money in a smarter way. Whats immature is saying "Its business".

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

The poll got glitched yesterday so I made a new one. Is XBL $50 (soon to be $60) material or just a way for MS to cash in.

XanderZane

Did we ask for those features? Do we even care about those features? We get all that stuff free on the PC. Do you know how many people would rather have free online access and the other USELESS XBL features optional?

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Ah but as I said, effectiveness doesn't necessarily equate to smart ;)skrat_01

Are you saying smart = honest successful business model? Because honest does not always equal smart.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

Why not? There are lots of pros and cons to each.

(1) Can you play on the couch comfortably with a M/KB? (2) Can you play a game while lying on your back? (3) Can you choose how slow or fast you want your character to walk and not be limited to toggling walk/run with shift? (4) Can you get the precision you need for racing games? (5) How about fighting games? (6) How about vibration?

foxhound_fox

(1) Still wouldnt be as comfortable as sitting down with elbows fully rested.

(2) Were talking about KB/M vs gamepad not consoles vs PC + multiplayer disadvantage. LOTS of people do. Dont believe me? Create a poll.

(3) Then get better

(4) Were talking about KB/M vs gamepad not console vs PC

(5) Were talking about KB/M vs gamepad not console vs PC

(6) Lots of people care about rumble. Its not as insignificant as you think.

Im not arguing against PCs being better than consoles. Im saying there are pros and cons to each type of control. You guys seem to be saying MB/B wins ALL and thats untrue.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Yeah... no.

There is no advantage the gamepad has over the mouse and keyboard. Even the analogue stick is negligible compared to the many advantages of the keyboard and mouse.

mirgamer

Why not? There are lots of pros and cons to each.

Can you play on the couch comfortably with a M/KB? Can you play a game while lying on your back? Can you choose how slow or fast you want your character to walk and not be limited to toggling walk/run with shift? Can you get the precision you need for racing games? How about fighting games? How about vibration?

How bout you stick to the original argument of the topic, which is in regards to FPS? Which is about shooting virtual people in the face?

KB/M combo is unquestionably superior in that. Period :)

I think I missed the FPS part of the title. Or forgot about it when responding to the guys comment. Im not going to argue against the fact that KB/M is much better than a gamepad for FPS because its the truth. I might have gotten this thread mixed up with the other KB/M vs controller thread.

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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"] How does any of that give an advantage in FPS games?Mystic-G

It has nothing to do with FPS games. Its a matter of being able to play while on your back. You cant do that with a KB/M.

I know Im not crazy. Im not the only one who games while lying down. There are times when I want to FPS on my PC. There are times when I want to be relaxed on my back and gaming.

KB/M and game pads have their pros and cons.

I feel the exact same way you do. Thats why I play FPS games sitting up. But others games like just driving around in GTA or playing something like LBP is fine lying down. I dont believe that you never lie down, head rested on a pillow or something and game.

[QUOTE="The_RedLion"][QUOTE="skrat_01"] I'd call smart business a model that actually has some sort of intelligent idea behind it, instead of something so dated and easy to put in. Live Gold is effective, I won't disagree with you there. It's not smart; there really isn't much intelligence behind the model - if it was a new media style of business model however, not something as easy as a subscription fee, then I would agree. Otherwise you could lump many subscription services in the same category. skrat_01

I think "wrong" is the right word. You cant deny its smart. You can call it stupid if MS loses a significant percentage of its user base next gen because of this dirty tactic. But right now its working.

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[QUOTE="swontario"] What is with these replies of "can you play on the couch and can you play while laying on your back"? Is that seriously an advantage?

Mystic-G

You dont watch TV while laying on your back?

It has nothing to do with FPS games. Its a matter of being able to play while on your back. You cant do that with a KB/M.

I know Im not crazy. Im not the only one who games while lying down. There are times when I want to FPS on my PC. There are times when I want to be relaxed on my back and gaming.

KB/M and game pads have their pros and cons.