meh.. actually there are better *new* features in the mods.

DayZ mod

DayZ Overwatch

DayZRP

DayZero etc..

Base building, better and more extensive crafting.

Any stand out additons here will be added into the mods, which all those with the current mod can get for free?

I think they missed the window, those that still play the mod, are playing the new mods and helping to add new features all the time.

Hackers gonna hack? Yeah it still happens (not nearly as much as it used to), and if they think a stand alone will stop that? err I dont think so.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/10/op-ed-why-im-not-too-worked-up-about-the-next-gen-console-resolution-wars/

from your couch.. you cant see it

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/10/op-ed-why-im-not-too-worked-up-about-the-next-gen-console-resolution-wars/

from your couch.. you cant see the difference.

I think the launch of a national health website is more comparable. I dont see anyone in the US crying about that. Everyone just needs to realize that 'it is a launch' and there are going to be problems. lol

But its OK, EA are onto it:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/11/3/5061252/heathcare-govs-disastrous-launch-could-have-been-prevented-with

</sarcasm >

Exactly.

Would it have mattered if they held this game back by a couple of weeks? No

Could they have stuck a BETA label on this release? Yes

Will they fix it? Yes

Is it a great game? Yes

Just give it to us when it is ready.

@MBirdy88: I do actually, I am a developer. Thats why I am so shocked to see the scale of issue with newly released games.

While I am not on the forums in a commercial sense, purely for personal.

We use the following dev process:

Local, dev, testing, staging and production. Staging is a mirror of production.

At each point, our code is peer reviewed, tested and automated testing is carried out.

We run smoke tests and release tests.

All of the above helps reduce the number of large scale issues. It means we end up dealing with minor non blocker issues.

The issues in GTAV and BF4 are far from minor. The length of the beta was far to small in proportion to the game size and expected(pre-orders) player base.

No one at Dice is saying 'oh, its a release, its to be expected'. What they are doing is finding the issues, how those issues made it through their extensive processes and then making sure the fix doesn't impact on the hotfix.

MY point is, that they should have done more and for longer. They should have treated PC and the old gen consoles with the same respect.. rather than use them as a beta test for the new gen.

If BF4 is the only game that doesnt work out of the box on those consoles, then they are going to have issues.

Yeah, I agree. I just dont think it would be acceptable of they released it at launch on the new consoles. It would be a PR nightmare.

Right now, press coverage is quite low for how bad the issues are. I know that it is a launch. It is to be expected. I guess you can use that argument to cover all kinds of issues.

SimCity.. it was a launch thing. GTV, it was a launch thing... and so on I get it.

will WatchDogs have these issues? well, not on the console launch as they have set it back to work on the title. So I am guessing they will sort out most things.

Not being able to get on a server is one thing.. but the crashing and bugs is another

@chrisrooR: The fact that I did buy their product gives me the right. Thats how it works. Not the other way around.

@mjorh: I know.. but if all the next gen console games have these issues on launch.. the press would not be good at all.

Why do we put up with it? Why didnt they test more? release the title on all platforms at the same time?

There are lots of issues with BF4 at the minute. Their forums are full of complaints.

I think it is understandable that there are going to be issues. It has only just launched. Games are difficult things to develop.

BUT

These guys do it for a living? They test, they beta test...

The game has some issues, crashing, netcode, sound issues, console locks, points and level ups being lost. Then the servers have issues.

Is this the future for next gen? This many issues at launch?

I have had fun in the game, and yes it looks great..

But I feel like I am in a beta now. I think we are in a beta, but its the beta for next gen consoles.

If this game launches anything like this on PS4 launch day.. it will be embarrassing.