@asnakeneverdies: Patlabor is all about Mechs which is the core of METAL GEAR. I don't know what you don't see in the comparison.
Game or no Game. The reason why I say Kojima is a pseudo philosophical hack is how he tries to deliver philosophical depth.
This is my own rule determining what's genuine and what's false. Whenever characters sit around and deliver long philosophical monologues describing the very philosophy that the writer is trying to convey, it's pseudo philosophy. True philosophy should never be spewed, but rather interwoven into the fabric of the story and the characters and should exist on a subconscious level, and hence the audience should be able to absorb the philosophy naturally without having to listen to the writer explaining it in a monologue. This is the difference between genuine philosophy and pseudo philosophy.
Ask yourself, in all of Kojima's writing, how often are gamers sitting there listening to a long monologue by one of the characters explaining the so called depth and philosophy that the game is trying to deliver. Almost always.
MGS games contain an endless stream of character and tapes that tell the gamer the exact philosophy and deep issues that Kojima is trying to tell, which proves that Kojima is a hack. Because the proper way to instill depth is to hide it inside your characters, your story, your settings, there is NEVER a need for any character to ever describe in monologue form the depth of your story. That's why I call Kojima a hack.
Great philosophy is never spewed, but rather imbued. Woven into the fabric of the work so that audiences feel it on a subconscious level and understand it naturally by the end of the work. This is the mark of true genius, which Kojima lacks. He makes some fun games, but he ain't no K. Dick, or Tolstoy, or even Oshii.
@asnakeneverdies: Honestly, kids nowadays. Try reading some books, Enders Game, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, War and Peace, Anna Karenina, etc, etc, etc. These are philosophical. MGS is a stupid video game made by a film nerd with a rudimentary understanding of depth and philosophy. MGS is pseudo philosophical drivel at its worst. Don't get me wrong, the games are fun, but the themes, and tropes that the game contain are so laughably bad it's not even funny. There is nothing worse than low brow pseudo philosophy masquerading as something serious and profound.
Don't get me wrong it is possible to merge depth with anime tropes and Japanese culture, look no further than Patlabor 1 and 2 and Ghost in the Shell, but what Kojima does is pseudo philosophy at its worst. Not only that, it's also very preachy and mixed with Kojima's cheesy B-movie direction comes off as being a joke. So, no I'm gonna stick with my verdict. MGS is a fun game, nothing more, its attempts at feinting depth comes off as artificial, and also lacking due to Kojima's lack of grasp of genuine philosophy.
In the end I like the MGS games, as a fun game with zany bosses, but that's it. Hayter helped make it interesting due to the fact that he understood Kojima's lack of depth, so he played the character light and comical, and thus alleviated the gamers desire to wanna puke every time one of Kojima's pseudo philosophical drivel monologues cluttered the screen. But when you replace him with Sutherland, it no longer works. You cannot take something that is innately ridiculous and try to deliver in a straight no nonsense manner.
My advice, don't confuse pseudo philosophy with philosophy. You insult all the genuine deep thinkers of this world both past and present. Philip K. Dick would be flipping out in his grave right now, if he were to see you call this hack, a genuine thinker.
P.S Kojima also steals most of his pseudo philosophy from other great thinkers, which make it even worse, cause he turns other people's great ideas into drivel. "Snatcher" was direct rip off of "Blade Runner", and K. Dick was never given any credit.
@Tangsta03: Fired, not hired. Who cares, bottom line is Kojima was fired from Konami or as you would say not hired. So in the end the Universe is fair, and Karma came back and got Kojima back for all his past actions. Now the only thing left is for him to get sued for plagiarism, since he is on his own now, without Konami's massive bank account to smooth things out, its just a matter of time before Kojima's plagiarising ways gets him into trouble. Now that would be Karma. I'll be laughing when that day happens.
Kojima is a prick, and nobody likes him. He fired Hayter, a guy who helped build the franchise with him from day one without as much as a notice. He steals other peoples IPs without as much as credit, Snatcher, MGS, hell he even stole the cover of Terminator for his game. These are all facts, not opinion, he costs his company tons of headache. Konami had to remove MGS Theme song from all future games, cause Kojima stole the music from some Russian composer.
Bottom line I hate Kojima for all those reasons, and I feel that he deserves being fired, cause that's how he treats other people.
As for why I love Hayter, again, I listed all my reasons, whether you agree with them is your problem.
But one thing is FACT is that you yourself said that the first person to resort to personal insults, surrenders the debate, so you've already lost by your own logic.
I'm done with you. Because you already surrendered.
@asnakeneverdies: Take it as you will, but Hayter as Snake was funny as hell. And Sutherland was boring as molasses.
I don't see how any actor can be serious in a game where the main villain rides a flaming Unicorn and eats grenades for breakfast.
MGS is not meant to be serious, Hayter knew this, which is why he was damn good. Whether Kojima knew how ridiculous his plots were is beyond me, though. Maybe in Kojima's world, US presidents dressed in Octopus costumes is considered serious. Who knows.
@Tangsta03: Surrender on what, I already pointed out why I love Hayter and how I hate Kojima. I also pointed out why Sutherland sucks as Snake. I've already made all my points.
You on the other hand seem to have run out of points to make to counter mine.
I said why I loved Hayter vs Sutherland, You have no come back for that other than Japanese VA is good.
I also said why I dislike Kojima the man is a prick, grade A, treats everyone like crap. You have no comeback for that.
I also stated why I don't think Kojima is a genius since he plagiarises his ideas, and his stories are B-Grade at best, and his direction is pretty low grade as well. he's just a B-movie level kind of a guy.
I'm done, and P.S You started to attack me first, look back at our posts. When you smelled that you lost the debate, you did exactly what you just claimed that I did. You called me a Troll.
We had an intellectual debate up until you realized that you couldn't beat me, so you resorted to personal attacks, by calling me a Troll.
Looks like you're being a hypocrite here. So according to you, the first person to resort to personal attacks is admitting surrender. Well, I guess you surrendered the moment you stopped debating and called me a Troll.
@Tangsta03: Coming from a guy who says that Hayter was a bad Snake, sounds like you never even played the old MGS games. How anyone who claims to be a MGS fan can claim that Sutherland is a better choice than Hayter is beyond me.
Hayter made Snake, cause he was funny as shit. Do you remember this line "But can I eat it?" its from the greatest MGS game of them all according to critics and fans. Yes, that's Hayter playing Snake as a joke character, that's what made MGS great, not Kojima's pseudo intellectual drivel.
For a guy who claims to love MGS you seem to care little for its history. I'm pretty sure that MGS V was first MGS game you ever played.
NEWSFLASH - There are over 300 posts filled with tons of people who hate Kojima, and tons praising Hayter. Mostly from old fans like us, seems like only people who just discovered MGS like you seem to like the new VA and Kojima for that fact.
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