@Pedro:

So if I’m hearing you correctly you have no idea how much it will cost or how many games are included in prices you pay for the cloud servers to even begin to make a comparison to PSNow. You don’t even know if it’s a subscription model or a pay per game model.

Got it.

@Pedro:

This is what Phil Spencer said on stage:

“Two months ago we connected all Xbox developers to Project xCloud,” says Xbox chief Phil Spencer. Now, the console streaming service will “turn your Xbox One into your own personal and free xCloud server.” According to Microsoft, you’ll be able to stream your entire Xbox One library — including games from Xbox Game Pass — to a variety of devices.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/9/18656694/microsoft-project-xcloud-game-streaming-price-e3-2019

But sure, I will take Microsoft's word and their statement that all games will be on xCloud. What is the business model?

How does the pricing compare to PSNow? This entire thread was about PSNow not being competitive at $20 a month.

GamePass with around 200 games and no streaming is $10 a month, so will adding 18x more games make the price $180 per month to make the full catalog available? Or is the service pay per game like Stadia? If we are going to compare value I would need to know this information as well.

@Pedro:

No, this is exactly what the problem is Microsoft is calling console streaming “free xCloud”. Lololol so they really did confuse their own user base...

The “free xCloud” being release in an update this fall is just console streaming. Actual service connected to the cloud consoles isn’t expected to launch in full until 2020. Microsoft hasn’t announced what or how xCloud on servers business model is. You really expect to be able to stream all 3500+ Xbox one games for less than $20 and publishers are just going to be ok with that??

Come on let’s be serious, that fact that MS is calling their console streaming “xCloud” should tell you that they are purposely confusing the message. Either you release with limited games on the cloud service of a low price or you release with “every game” for a high price or you come back and say we next met you could literally play every Xbox game on the cloud servers, we were just saying it was technically possible.

There’s no confusion here, the message just makes no sense because it would mean their entire catalog of games would be available via subscription which means every single game publisher would have had to allowed MS to use their games in a subscription model for income. Combine with the complete lack of details of the xCloud service costs or services themselves;The message isn’t adding up.

@Pedro:

There’s no goalpost moving. We are comparing PSNow. Which is streaming from remote servers to MS offerings which are to stream from remote servers.

If that’s a reference to streaming from your own console then it’s not comparable to PSNow, it’s comparing Remote Play. Just because MS calls two different services the same thing as a marketing tactic doesn’t mean they actually are.

Microsoft hasn’t announce anything about the PSNow equivalent of xCloud such as price or what’s included with the service. That’s what this entire discussion is about. Comparing the services that actually ARE COMPARABLE to PSNow.

@sakaixx: not everyone has a working PS3 to boot up... isn’t that the same model as Netflix, it use to be old movies and a ton of bloat film for cheap. I’m not saying it’s the best by a long shot as GamePass is better quality titles, but I’ve played a bunch of the Altier games as well as tons of Disney and Lego games for my family , probably 75-80 games through PSNow alone. Even if I bought the same games for $5 a piece it would still cost double what it cost me to sub to PSNow for years.

@Pedro:

Is that a reference to console streaming or from the actual servers? I’d make an avatar bet that it’s a reference to their console streaming (which PS4 has done for every game since launch) rather than having every single Xbox game available via a subscription. Their GamePass service right now only has a couple hundred.

@Pedro:

Wait how many announced games did each of those services announce? I’m curious since you seem to know the answer?

@daniel_su123:

That’s the MOST asinine thing I’ve ever heard.

Under the PLAYSTATION brand you have:

PLAYSTATION NOW

PLAYSTATION VUE

PLAYSTATION PLUS

PLAYSTATION MUSIC

Not to mention Sony movies or Crackle...

Sony has an entire ENTERTAINMENT package under its PLAYSTATION brand.

They even give rewards for subscribing to multiple services. Sony TODAY could bundle all these services for $5 a month if they wanted to.

Sony and the actual PlayStation brand have everything they need to bundle the services right now. They are charging $20 because literally no one other major player has a single gaming streaming service on the Market yet. They literally don’t have to do anything and can completely change direction tomorrow just like they added a bunch of games this month to the PSNow service. They can literally do that at ANYTIME. Today, tomorrow, a year from now... it doesn’t matter.

Who in their right mind would think PSNow will stay the way it is for the next 5 years when it’s completely changed in past 5 years even with it being the only service on the market.

Even more amazing is saying they can’t compete when you don’t have a single price point of any competitor offering a “Netflix game streaming service” to compare it to. Again what are you comparing PSNow too??? Services aren’t available and don’t have a price point. You can say PSNow isn’t interesting but you’re if you think you’re gonna get anything like 1000 games streaming with no console for under $15 bucks a month you haven’t done your research at all.

@daniel_su123:

By nothing you said is true???

Google play pass doesn’t include Stadia at this point and NONE of the Xbox services have ever been bundled with Office 365. The bundles you are claiming will exist in the future aren’t even consistent with how those companies approach their internal businesses.

What do these companies have TODAY that competes with PSNow offerings? Like I can go out and buy and use TODAY?

@sakaixx:

Whats wrong with the pricing? I always sub for a year and got it on sale when it was $70/80 bucks. Thats way less than even Netflix.

For all those comparing the services.

You can download the 300 or so PS4 and PS2 games just like gamepass. Plus you can stream them all to a PC just like Stadia or xcloud promises, plus you ca. Remote play all downloaded gamea for free just like Xcloud free which has yet to release. Plus you can play onlne as of you gave PSplus. And i got all this for aroubd $6 bucks a month, $80 a year or sale or $8 a month for the $100 a year sub.

Its like gamepass xcloud and Xbox live rolled into 1 for $6 a month minus launch first party games but 8x the number of games. How can people complain about that????especially when the others havent even launched yet and ive been doing this for years.