@Landsharkk gee if I have to pay money then it must be better...because it has to go through them and they have all these bills to pay..thats why they charge me money,...cause its the only way

@Landsharkk running everything through ms is only a reason to charge their fees...its pathetic..they are trying to milk the frickin consumers

@Landsharkk so how having that giant list of reasons to charge money...makes it a reason that that type of system is supperior..becauase gee...every other platform doesn't charge money

@Landsharkk I know pso was on sega..they also charged for their service...you had to pay for pso and for ms to play online..but it was sent THROUGH the ms live servers and REQUIRED them to be able to play..you cannot play the original xbox live games like that online without live servers..its a closed platform

@Landsharkk so you're giant list is a reason why they wanted 40 grand to do something that steam would have done for free?

@Landsharkk so what if I think you're just trying to defend micrsoft because you're a fanboy?

@Landsharkk the original xbox live service is no more..you can't play phantasy star online..on your xbox..and even if you wanted to use xlink kai..its impossible unless its a system link game..microsoft won't even release the source code for their old servers because they reused some of the architecture for the new xbox live service..and they are didn'[t dont you tell me otherwise...you have got to be kidding me if you say that they are the same service.they required everything to be changed over..they are completely differnent consoles. My point of argument is that Microsoft never card about consumer relations and this reflects over to small developers..I also make the point as you've probably stated that phil chose to put himself in this position

@Landsharkk you're changing the subject of my argument

@skw4712 I wouldn't go as far to say that its a bad game...I'm pretty sure out of all the indie titles out there..its not a bad game but it probably is overrated.

@phoenixp3k the more consoles resemble pc's...the more pc's seem highly superior