[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ramey70"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

4. if the ps3 was as successful as you claim it will be, sony wouldh't have to worry about money...;) tango90101

So why did Microsoft fire anyone? Why did Exxon Mobil let almost 500 people go?

comparing one arm (SCEE) to full entities like MS (with many, many arms) or Exxon (also with many arms) really speaks volumes.

look you just don't understand the topic.

move on. ;)

In the comment I directly addressed, you mentioned Sony, not SCEE. In addition I also posted that Microsoft's Windows arm fired people. Is it losing money? The people fired from Exxon Mobil were part of the exploration arm. You'll be hard pressed to find anyone thinking that they are having trouble on that front.

okay, i'll make it easy for you: ALL posts going forward are about SCEE..

does that help you?

SCEE is laying off at a time when sony and their loyal fanboy base is predicting nothing but good news for the ps3 in the future.

something doesn't line up.. i'll leave you to do the math...;)

There is plenty of bad news for Sony and the PS3.  But I'm just stating that layoffs can't neccessarily be considered that unless we know all the details.  You have the opinion that any regional layoff is a bad omen. 

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="dumfart66"]

A profit when a business expected almost 20% more IS a loss in there books. Why? Because investors see it as a failing in the company, lose interests, and and the stock price lowers. That is a loss. Read the full article please.

dumfart66

Um, no it's not. A loss is when your receivables are less than your expenditures. This is basic business. Posting a loss is simple, you either file one with the SEC or you do not. Unless of course you're Enron.

A loss can have many different meanings in business. If you expect to make 20% more then you did, its considered a loss. If your stock prices fall, it is considered a loss. You are still LOSSING 20% of that profit, and no company restructures if it is making a good profit, thats not good business. Good business is adapting yes, but not completly restructuring.

 Legally they cannot have "different meanings".  Jesus I'd love to see where you went to business school.   I went to McCombs School of Business at the University of Texas at Austin.  What you said would never uttered by a professor there in a million years.   When posting a profit or loss in your SEC filings it is either one or the other.  Black or white. It is not up for speculation or interpretation.

By the way, Microsoft and other heavyweights such as Southwest Airlines have lowered earnings forecasts for several occassion over the years.  You'd have a hard time convincing anyone they posted a loss. Unreal. 

A profit when a business expected almost 20% more IS a loss in there books. Why? Because investors see it as a failing in the company, lose interests, and and the stock price lowers. That is a loss. Read the full article please.

dumfart66

Um, no it's not.  A loss is when your receivables are less than your expenditures.  This is basic business.   Posting a loss is simple, you either file one with the SEC or you do not.  Unless of course you're Enron.

[QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"]You haters may not like it, but I bet the release of the Elite will bring the 360 sales equal to or greater than that of the Wii for April. Probably in the 400,000 range._Pedro_

The Elite was probably the worst product microsoft could've brought out at this very moment. People will see:

PS3 $500,- with Blu-ray

Xbox 360 $480, with just a few extra stuff.

Wii $250, with wii sports.

The choice is easily made (wii) and the ps3 actually looks rather nice with that Blu-ray on it.

 Except that the $500 PS3 no longer exists.

[QUOTE="karicha9"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

Nintendo has upped Wii shipments this month dramatically, Lineups are massive, Super Paper Mario is out,

and how can I forget... this month is also Poke month, the official death of the PSP.

Sony am cry.

jedigemini

Nintendo only sold 250,000 units in March in the U.S. The problem isn't supply, it's demand.

Super Paper Mario is a port from the GC. Hardly anything to get excited about. The DS, on the other hand, is the king of handhelds. Poke is very popular, too. The PSP will not win the handheld war, but it is the most successful competitor Nintendo has seen.

No kidding.  Especially when a secondary market (EBay) exists for the Wii in which people are paying more than the retail price for the unit. 

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="dumfart66"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I know Sony will say it has nothing to do about PS3 or money but people do not get laid off when things are going good.dumfart66

People get layed off in companies all the time for various reasons. Right now Sony has a whole 6 years of data from last gen. to look at what branches make money and what branches bring little to the company. You think nobody loses jobs with MS or Nintendo, of course they do. Thats buisness you limit expenses BEFORE it becomes a problem, not after.

You do not lay off people unless you HAVE TO. This will effect how people look at the company, and no company wants to be looked at as uncaring to its employees and a money grabber, which is what this makes sony look like. Sure companies fire people. But since you said microsoft, please, provide a link where they have layed off people. The fact is you can't, microsoft is making money, and so would not fire anyone. Sony is losing money by the bucket fulls, and is massivly changing itself. End of story.

Link

By the way, Sony hasn't lost money in several years.

"While this isn't the first time Microsoft has cut employees, the move is somewhat uncharacteristic for the 70,000-employee company that has been adding staff by the thousands each year."

THousands added>200 lost


http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-6065724.html


"Sony forecast group operating profit to slide 48 percent to $872 million (100 billion yen) in the year to March, well short of the market consensus of $1.49 billion (171.2 billion yen), the average figure from 19 analysts surveyed by Reuters Estimates."

"The weak outlook comes despite a sharp drop in restructuring expenses, which were front-loaded in 2005/06--the first year of a revival plan under which the company set out to close several factories, sell assets and cut 10,000 jobs."

Thousands hired by microsoft

ten thousand gone by sony

You just posted that Sony made a profit of $872 Million.  A profit is not a loss. 

[QUOTE="ramey70"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

4. if the ps3 was as successful as you claim it will be, sony wouldh't have to worry about money...;) tango90101

So why did Microsoft fire anyone? Why did Exxon Mobil let almost 500 people go?

comparing one arm (SCEE) to full entities like MS (with many, many arms) or Exxon (also with many arms) really speaks volumes.

look you just don't understand the topic.

move on. ;)

In the comment I directly addressed, you mentioned Sony, not SCEE.  In addition I also posted that Microsoft's Windows arm fired people.  Is it losing money?  The people fired from Exxon Mobil were part of the exploration arm.  You'll be hard pressed to find anyone thinking that they are having trouble on that front.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I know Sony will say it has nothing to do about PS3 or money but people do not get laid off when things are going good.dumfart66

People get layed off in companies all the time for various reasons. Right now Sony has a whole 6 years of data from last gen. to look at what branches make money and what branches bring little to the company. You think nobody loses jobs with MS or Nintendo, of course they do. Thats buisness you limit expenses BEFORE it becomes a problem, not after.

You do not lay off people unless you HAVE TO. This will effect how people look at the company, and no company wants to be looked at as uncaring to its employees and a money grabber, which is what this makes sony look like. Sure companies fire people. But since you said microsoft, please, provide a link where they have layed off people. The fact is you can't, microsoft is making money, and so would not fire anyone. Sony is losing money by the bucket fulls, and is massivly changing itself. End of story.

Link

 By the way, Sony hasn't lost money in several years. 
 

4. if the ps3 was as successful as you claim it will be, sony wouldh't have to worry about money...;) tango90101

So why did Microsoft fire anyone?  Why did Exxon Mobil let almost 500 people go?

[QUOTE="ramey70"]You didn't read 3 paragraphs down were it mentioned prior Xbox cuts. You also have no idea if these jobs were redundant, able to be done by others, or extra weight. You also didn't tell me when you received your MBA or what type of educational and professonal merit you posess to have such a thorough understanding of corporate financial matters. tango90101

1. xbox cuts.. first gen... where you guys alway remind us how it was a money loser...ooo...big suprise there... we're talking about THIS gen.. it's funny you guys like linving in the past only when it serves your purpose.

2. i don't feel obligated to answer your question of my education any more than i do answering questions of my current compesation scale. i'm sure you understand. I've answered them before only to get flamed by the local idiots who can't see past the mire of the unit level numbers, and zero basis in models or strategies, while claiming name branding somehow trumps all.

3. the fact this is tied DIRECTLY to the arm that is swingin the ps3 has clearly escaped your perception is really telling.

when sony starts reducing the size of the game creators, especially using more difficult hardware, you know this isn't good..

or at least you SHOULD know...;)

What kind of "guy" would I be?  And why would I have claimed the Xbox to be a failure since I actually purchased it at launch?   I'm not a fan of plastic, metal, and silicone.