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#1 seercirra
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here, look

http://www.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_crysis.shtml#Crysis%20/%20Crysis:%20Wars%20v1.0-v1.5%20WinXP+DX10%20UNLOCKER

direct x essentially can run independantly of windows. so to link new versions of windows to new versions of direct x is just a evil sales tactic. this you can see because the xbox 360 run direct x 9. but doesnt have windows. and the new xbox wont need windows to run direct x 11 or 15 either.

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#2 seercirra
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[QUOTE="seercirra"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Windows 7 is a vast improvement on XP.

And why do people think like that? Do you think you can improve everything without upgrading? Do you think you can achieve more speed without upgrading ur CPU? Better graphics without upgrading ur video card? Why should the OS be any different?

FelipeInside

i edited to show you why. and also, this thought that your "upgrading" is nonsense. you get deus ex 1 and youbuy deus ex 2, you are not upgrading. this is software not hardware. if software improves over time it should be patched. but it doesnt, still dx9 and xp will get more fps at the same graphics settings than any other combination. so how am i upgrading? they are just forcing you by denying certain graphical improvements.

Ur Deus Ex example is nonsense...it's called using new engines, new graphical tools etc etc. Same goes for OS, graphical cards, motherboards, everything. New hardware comes out for faster speeds, easier access, more compatibility, new technology...and therefore the OS also has to catch up.

As for XP getting same FPS, probably... depending on the PC set up and the game, but Windows 7 isn't just about upgrading the OS for gamers... gaming isn't everything to Microsoft.

And people don't buy a new OS just to get the new DirectX, please. There are lots of reasons why someone would decide to upgrade.

no your understanding of the technology is warped due to marketing bullsh!t. direct x is an api it is the link between games and hardware. it tells the hardware what to do. there is no reason why it cannot just be updated unless you want to use it to sell sh!t. i didnt say same fps, i said better fps. and not probably. always. and there are no reasons to want to "upgrade" other than it arguably looks better and because microsoft stop supporting older versions. so they stop making drivers for hardware or supporting new technologies. to force you to buy a new version. but technically there is no reason to.

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#3 seercirra
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really i dont get excited by new OS. i think since xp they have just been money spinners for microsoft. microsoft decided it wanted to feed off of pc gaming so started spitting out new directx versions and making out, wrongly, that other versions of windows wouldnt be compatible with the new direct x "features". so you must upgrade your windows just to improve your graphics. a proposterous thought 10 years ago.

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Windows 7 is a vast improvement on XP.

And why do people think like that? Do you think you can improve everything without upgrading? Do you think you can achieve more speed without upgrading ur CPU? Better graphics without upgrading ur video card? Why should the OS be any different?

i edited to show you why. and also, this thought that your "upgrading" is nonsense. you get deus ex 1 and you buy deus ex 2, you are not upgrading. this is software not hardware. if software improves over time it should be patched. but it doesnt, still dx9 and xp will get more fps at the same graphics settings than any other combination. so how am i upgrading? they are just forcing you by denying certain graphical improvements.

they spent millions of pounds to coolify the image of direct x 10 and 11, when that wasnt part of their MO before. they did it precisely so people who know very little will buy into it and agree to buy a new windows so they can have these features.

and becuase so many idiots brought into this, it has now become accepted. so anytime windows wanna flog a new os. guess what? a new direct x is coming out and it cannot possibly work with the previous versions of windows. and anytime microsoft wanna bump up their sales they will will pay off big developers to limit graphics options to certain versions of direct x and thus windows to try to get people to switch over too.

why would i be excited? it is just scumbaggery through and through.

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really i dont get excited by new OS. i think since xp they have just been money spinners for microsoft. microsoft decided it wanted to feed off of pc gaming so started spitting out new directx versions and making out, wrongly, that other versions of windows wouldnt be compatible with the new direct x "features". so you must upgrade your windows just to improve your graphics. a proposterous thought 10 years ago.

and they were found to be bullsh!tting when crysis came out, and they limited alot of graphics options to "dx 10 only", and said it was impossible to use these options in dx9. and they sold a tonne of copies of windows before a hack came out which allowed you all options running perfectly in dx9.

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or you can skulk ebay for a few days and try you luck for one of these.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DELL-Alienware-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-260-1-8GB-Graphics-Card-Part-05X2CH-/190700399696?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item2c66a12c50

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BFG-GeForce-GTX-260-OCX-MaxCore-Graphics-Card-PCIE-/200789078386?pt=UK_Computing_Computer_Components_Graphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item2ebff63172

much better than a 9800.

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if your gonna spend all that money you may aswell get 2133 ram. a good sound card, headphones, nice mouse mat. sound is important, onboard sounds sh!t by comparison. and what about speakers? personally i would spend money on speakers quicker than i would a case, much quicker. having bullets zip around your room in 5.1 or better with some quality bass adds alot to the experience. and yeah there is no need for more than 750w psu.

if you dont want to spend more money, then i would skim money from your choice of case (there is never any *need* to spend more than $50 on a case unless you are doing -extreme- overclocking or want a show case. the motherboard, the one you have chosen is very overpriced. its little different from many boards around half the price. the graphics card, as you are paying $250 for perhaps 5% more graphics power, and the CPU. just like the GPU you pay a premium for whatevre is right at the top of the line. you can save some money and get a 2700k and you wont notice any difference.

for speakers, look at the logitech z906, they are very good, and for sound card, you should be looking at a creative or asus card ~$100 would be about how much i would spend if i were spending 2.5k to set up a gaming pc.

Ryan_Som

For the case, I just figured it would have plenty of room / fans for ventilation. I was going to go with the 1000w PSU because I didn't want to question whether I could run two high-end GPUs in SLI (i.e. 2xGTX690s. Yes, I know that's overkill.). I did plan on getting a separate, better sound card. For speakers right now, I have a set of Klipsch speakers. It's only a 2.1 setup, but it sounds really good and I bought them as a holdover until I get a nice 5.1 setup. I have a 5.1 setup for my TV / home theater setup, but it's just and HTIB deal which I plan on switching out for a component setup with a separate receiver later.

For headphones, I have a decent set of Sennheiser HD280s and for a mouse pad I have the X-trac Pad Ripper that's something like 11x17". Other potential reasons for something like a 690 or an SLI setup is that I'm interested in doing a tri-monitor setup for Surroundvision with 3D down the road.

Thanks for the responses so far everyone. I appreciate it. I added that Z68 mobo to my wishlist a while ago, so I figured there'd be a better board out there now. I'm adding a Z77 to my list.

it looks like your pretty much set then. you will have plenty of room in that case but you will also have plenty of room in some cases half the price. even though 2.1 may sound good for music, its bad for games. you cant detect what is infront or behind you, there is no sound-scape. also onboard sound will not move sound around your speakers proportionally, like, for example, they cannot create a sound which appears to be directly behind you (if you are using 5.1). sound will either play from the back left or right speaker and cant work together to create a sound that comes from directly behind. its useless for accurately locating a source of a sound in a game. so i would get those changed up as a priority. i hope you enjoy your pc gaming experience :)

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I've had the z-5500 for years. I wouldn't say they are "really good". They are good for watching movies and playing games though. You can get much better speakers, but the best speakers will take quite a bit of space. It's good enough for people like me who don't really listen to music other than on their ipod. The bass is decent, and the receiver is really small, so that's nice. If you're looking for an amazing music experience, don't look at logitech speakers. If you're looking for a good price/sound quality ratio and have lots of room, I would recommend looking somewhere else (Onyko for example).

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i have the z5500's too, i agree you can get better for your money. tbh i reccomended z906 because i thought they had tweeters, but they dont. they are much more balanced though than the 5500's.
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So I have been working on an overclock of my i7 960 and I currently have it at 4.2 gHz running on 1.33v. The MAX temp while running prime95 thus far has been 81C. Is this too high? The temps usually hover in the 70-77C range while stress testing. I know that nothing I do will push my CPU to 100% and thus it should never reach 80C unless using prime95. Just was curious what you guys thought.

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its only too high if it falters when its under stress. if it isnt, dont worry about it.
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#9 seercirra
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also you should consider that a $500 gpu is going to be worth $20 in 5 years whereas $300 speakers will be worth $150 atleast. just trust me. if you make the changes i suggest you will get so much more for your money, and a much better over all experience.

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if your gonna spend all that money you may aswell get 2133 ram. a good sound card, headphones, nice mouse mat. sound is important, onboard sounds sh!t by comparison. and what about speakers? personally i would spend money on speakers quicker than i would a case, much quicker. having bullets zip around your room in 5.1 or better with some quality bass adds alot to the experience. and yeah there is no need for more than 750w psu.

if you dont want to spend more money, then i would skim money from your choice of case (there is never any *need* to spend more than $50 on a case unless you are doing -extreme- overclocking or want a show case. the motherboard, the one you have chosen is very overpriced. its little different from many boards around half the price. the graphics card, as you are paying $250 for perhaps 5% more graphics power, and the CPU. just like the GPU you pay a premium for whatevre is right at the top of the line. you can save some money and get a 2700k and you wont notice any difference.

for speakers, look at the logitech z906, they are very good, and for sound card, you should be looking at a creative or asus card ~$100 would be about how much i would spend if i were spending 2.5k to set up a gaming pc.