There was a time that the NBA once tried to hand over the Jordan mantel over to Grant Hill, but that didn't work. He was marketed as a good guy, with near great all around skills. He wasn't the defender that Pippen was, however he proved to be Pippens Superior in scoring, Pippens equal in ball handling, passing, and rebounding. He only had two glaring weakness at that time, that just couldn't be over looked. The 1st noticeable weakness, was that he lacked a consistent jump shot. It wasn't as bad as the way Jayson Kidds use to be, but it was still evident that who ever guarded Grant Hill, could sag off of him, and just invite him to shoot the open jumper, because he showed limitation. The 2nd noticeable weakness was, he just wasn't aggressive enough, and lacked a complete killer instinct, especially during 4th quarter situations. When the Pistons looked for him to be the go to guy, he seemed more comfortable being the set up passer, instead of the finisher/closer like the way Jordan was. I remember a comment that Doug Collins once made, when he use to coach the Pistons. He said that he wanted Grant Hill to be less like Scottie Pippen, and more like Mike, I was LOL when I heard him say that. Jerry Stackhouse even made a comment during that time. He said, that Grant Hill was the best player in the league, for the 1st 3 quarters only. Another comment that I thought was hilarious. Fast forward years later, the league tried once again to hand over the Jordan mantel to Vince Carter, but he proved during the Knicks Raptors playoff series, that he didn't adjust well to physical contact. I remember there was this one play that to this day I think affected Vince Carters out look on the game. Vince Carter made an attempt to attack the basket, and Latrell Sprewell gave Vince Carter a hard foul, that should have been called a flagrant 2. Vince Carter fell hard to the ground, and no call was made. Doug Collins was one of the commentators during the game, and he said that the difference between Vince Carter and Jordan, was that on the next couple of possessions, Jordan would have attacked the basket and forced the defender to make contact. Charles Oakley was incensed, that on the next couple of possessions instead of attacking the basket. Vince Carter chose to take jump shots, as a way to avoid the contact. Players around the league started to take notice that the way to slow Vince Carter down was simple, just use hard contact. Until this day, Vince Carters game, has never been the same.

Orkahn

"MJ would not let his team blow a 25 point lead..."

Fiqured you'd be stopping by sixringz, but its all good ;) Here's what I'm saying. The veteran, battle tested Bulls teams led by MJ would not have lost that game. But I'll bet the house that if MJwas able to leadasoft, young, inexperienced team without its young promising center to the finals, those Bulls would have gotten beat down as the Lakers did by a tough, defensive, 3 star team on a mission.

BTW, another no doubt "biased" analyst (Tim Legler) just pronounced Kobe the best player and sighted his ability to get off when he wants...just his opinion though;)

Chris Paul, baby!

mont13

i didn't feel like reading 100 pages to find the answer, so if someone asked already i apologize, but is this poll like a "final word, whatever the results are goes" or is this just for fun?

"Thats one way to spin it." Spin what? I gave my opinion and analysis. To clarify, I think if Phil Jackson went to Kobe and said "forget the triangle, we need you to go off" I think kobe can still do it.

"All you have to do is look at Monday where Kobe played 39 minutes and shot 11 for 29 from the field while the Lakers got spanked by the Blazers."You can tell very little from 1 game.

"In the biggest game of the Lakers season last year in the last game of the Finals the Lakers got embarrassed and Kobe played terrible." The Lakers played against the best team defense in years, achored by the defensive player of the year, geared to stop the Lakers best player. Also Kobe led a young, inexperienced, softteam to the finals against against a tough, defensive minded team led by not 1, not 2 but 3 hungry, veteran, all-star players who hadn't won a ring and were geeked up to finally get it done and not be labeled great players who never won the big one. That along with being at home is why the Lakers lost so badly against Boston, not because of some failure of Kobe. Kobe should have been given big time credit for getting them that far.Wade, Lebron, MJ or whoever given those circumstances would have done no better.

"I think Kobe is a player who when he is hot can occasionally take over a game. But I also think Wade and even LeBron sometimes can do that too" What an understatement for all 3.When any of them are "hot" most likely the game will be taken over.

mont13

I have to jump in on this one. Ican't speak for wade or lebron, nor all the circumstances you mentioned, but i'd be willing to bet the house the MJ wouldn't have let his team blow a 25 point lead (or however much it was) in game 4. That CAN'T HAPPEN in the NBA finals.

There really needs to be an updated and agreed upon list of AAAE, AAE, etc. There was one but i don't know what happened. Because w/out it a thread like this will go on for weeks w/ no conclusion

[QUOTE="sixringz1"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]are..are cows really going to use this baseball game as ownage?lawlessx

are..are cows really going to use this baseball game as ownage?lawlessx

Something that would help is for some people to actually play both games and then post here if they are the same or not. It's common knowledge that the EA Sports games are different on PS2/PC and 360/PS3, maybe this could be the same. We should wait.

glez13

For what it's worth Rick Bucher on ESPN today said he would still give the MVP to Kobe 1st, Lebron 2nd, T. Duncan 3rd and Wade 4th. He gave Wade credit for playing great this season but said he has not played as well against the better teams and used the recent loss to Cleveland as an example. He said he would give the MVP to Kobe because his team has one of the best records and Kobe has led the Lakers to victories over other elite teams (Cleveland, Boston...) Just his opinion.

mont13

You know I was wondering the same exact thing when I came across that article : (that's the good read)

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Why-fans-hate-Tyler-Hansbrough-A-treatise-in-on?urn=ncaab,146732

It reminds me of Tim Duncan in the NBA. Extremely talented, Efficient, (over?) loved by the experts/media, boring, works hard, etc.

I'm a Heels fan and I agree he ain't very exciting to watch, but the dude's very good.

He might not be a superstar in the NBA, but I think he'll be a good bench/role player anyways.

Edit : Oh you might find some interesting comments by Yahoo Users, regarding Hansbrough's favoritism with refs. And one good comment stating that "Even if I don't like to watch Hansbrough (or anything with Dick Vitale), I DO want my kids to emulate him, effort and determination" Another stating how Hansbrough NEVER complains, play rough every single play and such.