A loser cannot be a top whatever.

Stats mean nothing. Marino can have 600350350350320532964326 touchdown passes in ONE GAME and yet he is still a loser. Yeah, Marino, "Greatest quarterback ever... but he's a loser." Doesn't sound right.

Someone mentioned they'd rather take Jim Kelly over Trent Dilfer - well guess what- that's dumb. Why take a loser quarterback like Kelly over Dilfer? "Oh... Dilfer got lucky the Ravens defense was da bomb!" Well Dilfer did throw for a touchdown and had no interceptions. I'd rather take a winner like Dilfer over Jim "Went to 4 Straight Super Bowls AND LOST ALL OF THEM!" Kelly any day.

Wins matter. Trophies matter. Not stats. You should at least win ONE before you can be talked about as one of the greatest. You don't need to win 5 or 6 just one at least.

Marino isn't a top 10 and neither is Kelly due to their lack of rings.

AHUGECAT

without a doubt one of the dumbest things i've ever read. Football isn't like every other sport. It is the most TEAM oriented sport of them all. You mean to tell me if Dan Marino was in a super bowl and went 30-30 for 500 yards and 6 touchdowns and no int's but his defense gives up 7 touchdowns then that makes HIM a loser. Your logic is just rediculous, especially with your jim kelly argument. You make it sound that if jim kelly was the qb of the ravens then they wouldn't have won. Why did the ravens win the super bowl, not cause of their qb, it was cause their defense. And last time i checked ALL OF THOSE QUARTERBACKS YOU NAMED DON'T PLAY DEFENSE. If you want to make that case for a sport like basketball or hockey i'll ride with you til the end, but not football. I distinctively remember Jordan against Utah in 98 making a layup, then going on defense and stealing the ball from malone, then making the last shot. You can impact both parts of the game in that sport, you can't do it in football. According to your logic if terrel davis was never born, john elway would not be a great quarterback. It is absurd that you actually believe what you said

In Kobe's next upcoming game against the Knicks, if he manages to score 20+ points (LOL Kobe gun drop 100 on em) he will become the YOUNGEST ever player in the WHOLE history of basketball to score a total of 20,000 points in his career. MICHAEL JORDAN HAS BEEN PWNED.

mr-sheep

That may be the dumbest thing i've read on this site. I've read through all these responses and nobody has stated the obvious about jordan. HE WENT TO COLLEGE FOR 3 YEARS. Kobe was 18 when he started, jordan was 21 so of course he will have more points. The real question is how many years did it take for them to accomplish this. Jordan got to 20,000 in his 9th year AND ONLY PLAYED 18 GAMES ONE OF THOSE YEARS DUE TO INJURY, while this is Kobe's 12th year. Come on now do your homework before you make a statement like that.

[QUOTE="sixringz1"][QUOTE="dkhw"]

[QUOTE="sixringz1"]the real test will be tomorrow. I don't give anybody a chance against beckett in the postseason, but if they can bounce back tomorrow with, in my opinion, their best pitcher, and beat the sox this could be a 6-7 game series. However, if schilling can win tomorrow this series won't go more than 5dkhw

Rockies best pitcher is the next guy who's 4-4 with 4.28 ERA? HAHAHA!!!!!!

anybody who really follows baseball will tell you that jiminez has, without a doubt, the best stuff on that team. now he is a rookie so i don't know how the pressure will be. but he's been solid for the whole postseason. i'm rooting for the sox, but if youre just looking at wins and losses and era from the reg season, and thinks that has anything to do w/ now, youre mistaken.

The key words are THAT TEAM. Best pitcher from the Colorado Rockies equates to a Eric Gagne on the Red Sox.... I am so happy that Colorado Rockies pitching staff is one of our greatest offensive assests.

EDIT: IT's Gagne baby!!! Rockies wish they had a pitcher at least good as Eric Gagne!!!:lol:

hope your right. cause without beckett on the mound you can count on the rockies putting more runs up than they are tonight. It would be great if the sox keep hitting like this.

[QUOTE="sixringz1"]the real test will be tomorrow. I don't give anybody a chance against beckett in the postseason, but if they can bounce back tomorrow with, in my opinion, their best pitcher, and beat the sox this could be a 6-7 game series. However, if schilling can win tomorrow this series won't go more than 5dkhw

Rockies best pitcher is the next guy who's 4-4 with 4.28 ERA? HAHAHA!!!!!!

anybody who really follows baseball will tell you that jiminez has, without a doubt, the best stuff on that team. now he is a rookie so i don't know how the pressure will be. but he's been solid for the whole postseason. i'm rooting for the sox, but if youre just looking at wins and losses and era from the reg season, and thinks that has anything to do w/ now, youre mistaken.

[QUOTE="sixringz1"]i didn't read all 13 pages of this thread so if what i'm about to say has already been posted, i apologize. I do not own a PS3, nor have i ever played a R&C game, so i have NO FANBOY BIAS to their score. But when i look at EVERY other review and the lowest i see is 8.5 and is an average of 9, then gamespot gives it a 7.5. I don't know but something just seems suspect about that. Without taking sides, i can definitely at least understand why many of R&C and ps3 fans are upset about this. animateria

I'm not sure where you've seen these ratings from but from recent reviews (as in you press the more: review button and they pop out)... X360; Orange Box and Puzzle Quest was the only AAAs with Ace Combat 6 a AA... All the others are 7.5 to 5.5

(And don't say Puzzle Quest didn't deserve it cause its a DL game... It was great on the DS and is great as a XBLDL )

PS3 had 3 AAs (NBA 2K8, Fifa 08, Everyday Shooter) with the others being 7.5 to 5.0... Orange Box is going to be released on the PS3 later.

Wii has 2 AAs (Zack & Wiki,MLB PP) and others ranging from 7.5 to 3.5 which isn't a surprise due to its weak line up.

I don't see a reason why PS3 owners would be upset over the reviews. Considering Rachet and Clank series is around AA.

i don't know what in the world you think i'm talking about, but i'm only referring to ONE GAME - Ratchet & Clank. I am talking about all the reviews from other sites that gave THAT ONE GAME a rating of on average a low to mid 9. I said absolutely nothing about any other games on any other system. If people want to argue about GS bias against sony, all i;m saying is if you look at this ONE review in comparison to the other sites on THIS GAME they have an argument. So maybe instead of making smart ass responses ("as in you press the review button and they pop out"), maybe you should take a comprehension class so you can better understand what you are reading in the first place.

Who do you think the AL cy young award winner will be? After looking at all the numbers i've concluded that in my opinion, unless he falls flat on his face, the AL cy young HAS GOT TO BE Eric Bedard. Now i know a few people on here will think i'm crazy because not too many people know about him, but it's gotta be him.

He has 13 wins, which is 2 less than the most in the league(15).

He is 4th in the league in ERA with a 2.97 era

Now those two things don't scream out cy young but here are all the other numbers that are remarkable.

First in the MAJORS in strikeouts by nearly 30

He has given up fewer hits than any of the other pitchers who are in consideration

He has the lowest batting average against in the league. Hitters are only batting .210 off of him

Only pitcher in the league to average double digit K's per 9 innings.

He has the lowest run support per game of any pitcher in consideration

He hasn't lost a game in over 2 months

ANd most importantly, he does all this while playing for a very bad team.

Now i live in Baltimore so i can understand if you all consider me a homer, but you have to consider this, i am able to watch the guy every outing and whether it's against the yankees and red sox, or tampa and texas, this guy shuts people down. Other candidates would include Josh Beckett, Dan Haren, and a few others. Now that i made my case, who do you all think will get the award.