If all the PS4 exclusives that are supposed to release this year, alongside all the multiplatforms that are supposed to also release, then the PS4 will easily....and I mean really, really easily be the best gaming device (including PCs) for AAA games on the market.

Imagine, RDR2, ME:Andromeda, Resi 7 and so on on the multiplat front along side Horizon, Detroit, TLOU 2 (???) and a few others...damn. Finally this gen will be worth something.

@Blazed: Did you read my post? I clearly stated PS4 has probably won this gen already, barely 2 and a bit years into the cycle but the Scorpio might have a say in it. That's all I'm saying.

@silversix_: ok you win...or lose depending on how you view it lol

@jumpaction: Ah, you missed my point. I'm not saying the problem is the switch in and of itself (that is certainly issue) but rather the direction Nintendo has taken it. They have priced it well outside the realm of second console/portable territory and it's games are ridiculous over priced, thus many gamers like me who already have a console, whether it be PS4 or XB1 have no reason to invest in something that costs as much as the switch yet is less powerful than current gen consoles and has almost no relevant 3rd party support.

Nintendo could have targeted gamers outside of their own hardcore fan base with a lower price at entry and normal priced games. This could have become our alternate console to play the latest Mario and Zelda, whereas now its something you buy if you really like Nintendo...or if you're stupid enough to think there will be 3rd party support lol

I feel Nintendo were in such a good position, coming into this gen late, that they could have carved out their own market space but instead they seem to be falling flat on their faced. Again.

@reduc_ab_: You're not a hater, you're honest. Their consoles have been gimmicky. They realised they could not beat the SOny with a console based solely on games, it just wasn't happening with the N64 or the GC so they went down the route of a gimmic with the Wii...and it worked! Thing is, the Wii U was an utter shame and since then, Nintendo have not recovered and lost almost all genuine 3rd party support.

@silversix_: 40 dollars for a 25 year old street fighter and a party game that looks like something youd get for free with the ps eye lol

games like mario and zelda are £60 in the UK so like 70 dollars...thats mad right?

@jumpaction: By a serious gamer I mean someone who enjoy gaming as a hobby they partake in often. For gamers like that, for me as an example, I have a PS4 and much like you, I don't see the need for a switch as it stands. If it was £80 cheaper I'd buy it just to play Mario and a couple other exclusives however, as it is being priced as a core console, I don't see the reason for it, especially as the games are way too expensive. A console that costs that much needs to be able to extend itself to the biggest blockbuster games of the year and as you've already said, it won't be receiving RDR 2 or ME. On top of that I doubt it gets a fully fledged Resi game either and it does not have the capacity to run sports games as good as the PS4 or XB1.

Of course, there are many serious gamers who are also massive Nintendo fans and just like the Wii U before, they will keep the launch afloat but if Nintendo fails to release any AAA games on it like they did the Wii U and have one or 2 genuine games per year...the console will die.

I guess it'd be better for me because then I'll end up buying it at bargain price lol

Would any serious gamer be enticed buy the switch?

Like someone said, if it was priced at £200 with games retailing at £40, most gamers would buy it as that machine you play your Nintendo games on. I'd do that myself but by pricing it at least £80 (with switch games at £60 the most expensive on the market by some distance) more and that's without a gaming bundle, this puts it in the realm of a core gaming platform and the switch just isn't that.

You know 3rd party support will drop off very quickly so what we're left with is possibly one more Zelda in the switch life span (doesn't help that if someone has a U they can buy the latest Zelda) and maybe, just maybe another Mario. What else? Mario Kart 8 is not new to the switch but there will likely be a sequel in 2018. That's 3 games. Most of the other games look like they are mobile phone worthy at best lol Is it really worth it to buy an overall package that will cost £350-400 in 2017 for the odd Nintendia AAA release?

Consider Nintendo's track record with the Wii U, no mainstream Mario, no Zelda till now but a whole host of the typical Nintendo party game rubbish or a rehashed 2D Mario. Serious gamers are not going to want or even need to buy this. I havent even bothered about mentioning battery life which essentially kills any idea of the switch being a true portable/home console hybrid.

Nintendo had such an easy job. Expectations after the U were at an all time low. All they had to do was churn out a genuine hybrid, with at least a 4 hour battery life during the big games and make it an affordable secondary console. They got everything from the price to the tech wrong. How does a multi billion dollar company do that?

The Scorpio is still to be released but yes, as of now, PS4 has won/is winning about as easy as they can.