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[QUOTE="thew13"] it just isn't reasonable for the vast majority of the 200+ million PC 'gamers' out there.VandalvideoI'm tired of this argument. For the sake of argument, and just ignoring all the objections that I brought up to your own position; I demand you prove that the general population mirrors you. I demand case studies, statistics, surveys, etc. Not mere word of mouth. Give me proof. Oh really - so you really think the general population mirrors you?
Proof on my end. A large amount of PC owners don't even have one HDTV so they don't even have the option, forget about it being a reasonable option.
Let's use just the USA, because that actually helps your argument. The world as a whole has a lot lower HDTV penetration per PC user than the US.
There are approximatley 110 million TV households in the US.
In 2005 Utah was the highest state with PC in the household at 75% - http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=9342. Let's estimate that in 2009 80 of all household in the US have PCs that gives us 88 million PC households. (of course many of these housholds have more than one PC - we need to hit)
As of August of this year 53% of households have HDTV's - http://blogs.zdnet.com/home-theater/?p=1331&tag=content;col1 That gives us 58 million houshold with HDTV. So now we have 30 million PC households that don't even have the option to hook there PC up to an HDTV.
The remaining 58 million - Let's be really outrageous and say a full 75% of them see that the best interest is to have the PC hooked up to the HDTV to play games. That gives us 44.5 million PC household playing PC games on HDTV and 44.5 million not. - So even use those huge percentages in your favor we only get half the the US PC's connected to HDTV for gaming.
If you really think that 75% of HDTV household in the US have PC's connected to them even for general purposes not just gaming then I want to have some of what you are smoking , but even giving you that we are now even in mirroring my scenario and mirroring your setup - just in the US
[QUOTE="thew13"]
great in theory, not so great in practive. I always hear the argument both ways about gaming on PC with a HD TV. Well of course you can so it, but it not always a practical thing to do
It works great if -
1. If you have no family, or
2. You live at home and have your PC and TV in your bedroom.
Not so great if -
1. You have children or multiple people using the PC
2. Other people want to watch/use TV while PC is in use (In a multi-person household, this is almost always happening)
Remember PC having multiple uses is also is a detrmionet for gaming when one has a family. Everyone has a PC - this is the arfument on why you don't need X console. Well my PC is used by various family members for Myspace, Facebook, homework, etc.
If I want to play a game on a console, that's all it does, nobody can tell me they need to use it for other purposes. So in my situation and I guess many others, that is a plus for consoles - there main purpose is to play games.
I have nothing against PC gaming, in fact do a bit still and used to alot in the past, but remember blanket statements don't apply to all.
menes777
The main problem is that you have failed to understand what the argument was originally about. The argument was that PC users could not hook their systems up to a big screen TV and presumably be able to enjoy their games while lounging on the couch or a lazy boy recliner. The rebuttal to that was, yes it was possible to hook a PC up to a big screen TV as some video cards have an HDMI out port and/or conversion cables exist to make this possible. However, the rebuttal was not that the PC was a great family gaming device. This is what you have turned this argument into and even then your logic is flawed.
1. You have assumed that everyone only has one HDTV and one PC in their house.
2. You can't play PS3, XBox360 or Wii (or any system) while someone is watching TV or watching movies. If you assume that blocks of time are to be set aside for game time for those consoles you could easily substitute in a PC as the gaming machine. The same conflict would arise if your PS3 was your only blu-ray player and your had two children that wanted to use it, one for games and one for movies. The same goes for PC on a monitor, two children want to use it, one wants to browse the internet, the other wants to play a game. What do you do then? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
3. You assume every single PC game is single player, some games have split screen (Serious Sam), some games have multiple players on one screen (Lego Star Wars) and some have hot seat play (Civ IV). They might not be the games you enjoy but for some people they are highly enjoyable. You could even play WoW (multiple instances running) and other games which allow multiple instances to be running. You could go old school and play emulators on your PC of older consoles. To think that PC gaming is just one person playing one game all by themself is just blatant ignorance.
4. Your last statement is very interesting, because it does seem like you have something against PC gaming. Sort of like saying "I don't have anything against PS3, but the PC graphics are much better". Just because you say it doesn't mean that it's true, your arguments later make it clear how you feel. Also making blanket statements and then using that argument as a shield makes your own arguments shaky at best.
2. Once again the PC has many more uses than a console and many of them are non-recreational. It's not a negative, just reality
4. I was PC gaming before you were likely born and before it was really a PC. (Atari 400/800 and prior) I have a PC, I game on it occasionaly. 15 years ago I gamed more on PC than on consoles I just hate when people take things that fir in the SW universe and apply it to the real world. All I am saying is don't combine these two - Everyone has a PC and it is easy to hook up to your HDTV. - The everyones that have PCs fit into my scenario - not teh SW population but the general population. Of course I can hook my PC up to my HDTV and it is quite simple - it just isn't reasonable for the vast majority of the 200+ million PC 'gamers' out there.
[QUOTE="thew13"] That's what the PC in my house is for. If they need to get a book at the library then that's a different storyVandalvideoIt is only because you made it that way. The PC in your house doesn't have to be used for that reason. It isn't a knock against gaming PCs. Again, its a knock against obstinance. Tell them to go to the bloody library. Its your PC.
I didn't know sending your kids to a library was considered bad parenting. Of course, given the state of education, I'm not at all surprised. Why would I send my kid to the library to use a computer when I have one. Becuase me playing games is more important - yes that would be bad parenting"Hey look kid sorry you can't use the family computer becuase I am playing games on it - goto to the library if you want to use a computer" - great parent you would be.
[QUOTE="thew13"]That's what the PC in my house is for. If they need to get a book at the library then that's a different story.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Woe be unto the parent who isn't authoritative enough to make their child go to the library.clyde46
"Hey look kid sorry you can't use the family computer becuase I am playing games on it - goto to the library if you want to use a computer" - great parent you would be.
I would have a family PC in the living room and a gaming rig in another room. Didn't say you wouldn't - but that kills the "Everyone has a PC" point I see so many people make.[QUOTE="thew13"] That's what the PC in my house is for. If they need to get a book at the library then that's a different storyVandalvideoIt is only because you made it that way. The PC in your house doesn't have to be used for that reason. It isn't a knock against gaming PCs. Again, its a knock against obstinance. Tell them to go to the bloody library. Its your PC.
I didn't know sending your kids to a library was considered bad parenting. Of course, given the state of education, I'm not at all surprised. Then stop using the argument - "Everyone has a PC""Hey look kid sorry you can't use the family computer becuase I am playing games on it - goto to the library if you want to use a computer" - great parent you would be.
[QUOTE="thew13"]You don't have childrenVandalvideoWoe be unto the parent who isn't authoritative enough to make their child go to the library. That's what the PC in my house is for. If they need to get a book at the library then that's a different story.
"Hey look kid sorry you can't use the family computer becuase I am playing games on it - goto to the library if you want to use a computer" - great parent you would be.
[QUOTE="thew13"] Please read the entire thread vandal. I love the argument - just buy another computer. Well that kind of kills the everyone has a PC argument doesn't it. You can't have it both ways. They both can't be a plus when they contradict each other for 99% of the populationVandalvideoActually, you can have it both ways. Thats the point of the PC platform. You can choose to use it as a dedicated gaming platform which will own every last platform out there. You can also decide to use it for other purposes like surfing the web or getting work done. Its called choice. You can tell your friends and family; No, no more using it for work. Some of us don't have home computers to do their school work. Do what we do; Tell your children to go to the library, maybe they will learn something there. It is all about choice. The fact that the PC has more options isn't a con. You can choose to ignore them and treat it like a console; a much improved console. Or you can get a dedicated workbench for really cheap. These options don't contradict. You can use a PC however you want.
You don't have children. And I never said it was a con. Just that for 99%(if not more) of the PC owners both(everyone has one and you can esily hook it up to your HDTV) can't be pros
Damn talk about blanket statements. I have seen you use the argument everyone has a PC, so don't now say that all these everyone's realistically have the option to setup their PC the way you have it setup. Of course it's an option and you have done it, but most can't or won't.
And then throw in the "but just buy another PC." Please... really. You contradict yourself left and right on these forums and here you go again.
So you have a PC strictly for gaming. But I have not seen you use the argument - "everyone has a PC"[QUOTE="thew13"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
Mine doesn't.
It's solely for gaming.
lundy86_4
My point was that we cannot just use generic sweeping arguments. People cannot say "everyone has a PC", and nobody can simply say "PC is used for more than just entertainment." etc etc.
Nothing is that cut and dry.
Well you made my point better than I did. But the problem is that people in SW do make those sweeping statements.I can't count the number of times I have seen soneone claim as advantages for a PC
1.Everyone has one
2. You can easily hook it up to your TV.
The prolbem with that is that the vast majority of 'everyone' that owns a PC cannot easily hook it up to a TV(not just knowledge wise) but logistics wise.
Of course the same type of thing happens with arguments for and against all systems, this was just the one that was nagging me this week.
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