Well that would be the obvious reason not to, which is really my point of view.I wouldn't do it. But thats just cuz my monitor is much better than either an SDTV or an HDTV.
I'd rather hook up my monitor to my cable box/consoles than the other way around.
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Now you are changing the nature of the argument to suit your own side. Sort of like moving the goalposts to your advantage. Neither I nor Vandal are claiming that it is the best option but good try anyway. We are claiming that not only is it possible, but that it is easy to do it. Also you above statement doesn't pass the logic test.[QUOTE="thew13"]... just don't pretend that is the best option for the general public because it's not
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A=B, B=C therefore A != C is not logical. If it's true that everyone has a PC (but it's not) and a PC is easy to connect to HDTV (it is), then everyone can easily connect a PC to a HDTV. Maybe a qualification would help you? Everyone who has a PC that has a VGA port can easily connect it to their HDTV if they so desired to do so. If you forget the original argument was that PC users cannot connect to an HDTV. That is was what you were referencing to in your initial statement.
Yeah, it's hilarious to see the arguments that are made on SW. Although it is sort of sad to see the lack of understanding of logic and how little people really know (but think they know) about technology. How sad is it that marketing has such an influence on what people think (especially the term HD and playing a "NextGen" console that is several years old).
It's easy, it's not practicalAnd your bolded statement is not what I originally said. Reading comprehension please. Of course it is easy and any who desired to do it could. However, for the majority of PC owners it is not practical.
Well good old vandalvideo has assured me that a PC gamer would not hesitate to connect there PC to a standard def TV if it meant they could sit on the couch. Just want to see what every else thinks.
[QUOTE="thew13"]Nope not the focus of the argument - since I created the thread. The focus of the thread is that the two statements 1. Everyone has a PC 2.On can easily hook up their PC to there TV. don't fit togetheI agree that both are true, but to assert them both together is absurd.VandalvideoAnd as I've shown, such a proposition is absurd. Even if they don't have HDTVs, which you haven't really proven, they would have standard TVs; which if they're serious about TVs, they can do, and it wouldn't be hard.
Serious about TV's - huh. i though we were talking about geing serious about gaming. Why in the world would you connect your gaming rig to a standard def TV, unless it was your only option (and if you are serious about gaming and have a gaming rig it won't be)
I would venture to guess(I have no proof, so I can't state it as fact) that a lot more consoles are connected to PC monitors than PC's connected to standard def TV's
So because it was good option 25-30 years ago, it's a good option now. Can i have whatever you're smoking too. between what vandal gave me and that Maybe I will start seeing things in the twisted mental state you want me to.Yeah sure a serious gamer is realistically going to use there PC on standard def TV.
If you are as old as you make yourself out to be, you would remember back in the days of the commdore 64 when you could do that sort of thing. Yeah a real computer monitor was a little better (my cousin had one, I was so envious) but it wasn't a deal breaker. Those were the serious gaming days. :D
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[QUOTE="thew13"] Oh give me a break. Yeah sure a serious gamer is realistically going to use there PC on standard def TV(unless there monitor broke). You have lost the little bit of credibility you had leftVandalvideoIf teh couch and the TV were so important to him; then yes I could see them doing so. I fail to see any evidence which would state otherwise. Besides, the focus of the argument is about teh couch and teh TV. It is reasonable for them to do so.
Nope not the focus of the argument - since I created the thread. The focus of the thread is that the two statements 1. Everyone has a PC 2.On can easily hook up their PC to there TV. don't fit together.
I agree that both are true, but to assert them both together is absurd.
Nope just love getting hermits(any fanboys really, but todya it's hermits) in an uproar. I can do it, have done it(with my laptop), I don't even need any special HDMI converters - my TV has the standard PC monitor connector (as most HDTV's do). just don't pretend that is the best option for the general public because it's notVandal,
I think this guy is going to round and round in circles because for him it's not about what's fact it's about "winning the argument". He claims that this whole argument is based on broad statements and assumptions, yet he throws whoppers of statements to support his arguments. I think what he means to say is that because he doesn't like to play his PC on his HDTV that it shouldn't be done and that consoles are the only feasible option for doing so.
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[QUOTE="thew13"] You don't get it - you have your mind made up and fail to think logically. You do it all the time, but usually I just laugh at you. You keep mentioning those focused on buying a gaming PC - That statement invalidates this statement - Everyone already has a PC. Secondly why would you hook your gaming PC to a 1080p HDTV when you get much better resolutions on a PC monitor. So the serious PC gamer is not going to play on the 1080p HDTV they are going to play on the vastly superior monitor they already own for gaming purposes. Let's be real you are mixing up general PC gamer that might like to play on there HDTV, but don't know how or can't bother with the PC gamer who could and would do it, but would prefer the resolutions they get from a monitor. Does it happen - of course and quite often I am sure, but a very small percentage of that large PC gaming population is doing it. VandalvideoI was being kind by sticking it to HDTVs and gaming computers. I demanded a low bar of proof from you, because I didn't want to take the low road and just point out the fact that PCs can use coaxal hook ups to regular TVs. A serious PC gamer players his PC games however he bloody well wants to. There is no code which says that a PC gamer must play their PC games on their monitor. Besides, by your logic wouldn't the serious console gamer also want to use a monitor as opposed to a regular TV? I mean, such an argument would fail before it even got started. If people prefer to play games on their PC monitor; they can. I never stated that a person had to play on their TV. The argument has always been that they could. The fact of the matter is that; if you have a TV, you can play your PC on it with little to no effort with the right cables. You have failed to prove that a small percentage of the PC gaming population is doing it. I demand raw data which shows such an assertion. Not only that, but if you were able to prove such an assertion, that would have no bearing on our argument; That it is reasonable and able to be done by most people. You have failed to disprove that argument. Oh give me a break. Yeah sure a serious gamer is realistically going to use there PC on standard def TV(unless there monitor broke). You have lost the little bit of credibility you had left.
And please... Stop comparing can do's and actual do's.
[QUOTE="thew13"] Oh really - so you really think the general population mirrors you?Proof on my end. A large amount of PC owners don't even have one HDTV so they don't even have the option, forget about it being a reasonable option.Let's use just the USA, because that actually helps your argument. The world as a whole has a lot lower HDTV penetration per PC user than the US.There are approximatley 110 million TV households in the US.In 2005 Utah was the highest state with PC in the household at 75% - . Let's estimate that in 2009 80 of all household in the US have PCs that gives us 88 million PC households. (of course many of these housholds have more than one PC - we need to hitAs of August of this year 53% of households have HDTV's - That gives us 58 million houshold with HDTV. So now we have 30 million PC households that don't even have the option to hook there PC up to an HDTV.The remaining 58 million - Let's be really outrageous and say a full 75% of them see that the best interest is to have the PC hooked up to the HDTV to play games. That gives us 44.5 million PC household playing PC games on HDTV and 44.5 million not. - So even use those huge percentages in your favor we only get half the the US PC's connected to HDTV for gaming.If you really think that 75% of HDTV household in the US have PC's connected to them even for general purposes not just gaming then I want to have some of what you are smoking , but even giving you that we are now even in mirroring my scenario and mirroring your setup - just in the USVandalvideoYou appeal to a number of logical fallacies in this post. The fact of the matter is that you're going to have to prove that those that do not have HDTVs are within the overlap of people that are interested in video games. You have not shown that it is not the case that those buying computers or interested in computers do not fall within that 58%. This fallacy deals with portions.Until you can prove an overlap between these two groups, that argument falls flat on its face. I never claimed that people were likely to mirror my set up either. This fallacy is a red herring fallacy. Stick with trying to prove your own point; that it is not reasonable for the majority of consumers who are focused on buying a gaming PC. Your evidence, sir, is insufficient. What? 88million - PC 58million - HDTV. A full 30 million don't have the option at all. What else do I have to prove. I gave you 75% of the 58 million HDTV household would want to setup there PC on the HDTV(and that is being generous) You want to split and say it's 50/50. That leaves you with 29 million HDTV households with a PC hooked up to the HDTV and 59 million without. (and that's still being generous to your side of the argument)
[QUOTE="thew13"] Oh really - so you really think the general population mirrors you?Proof on my end. A large amount of PC owners don't even have one HDTV so they don't even have the option, forget about it being a reasonable option.Let's use just the USA, because that actually helps your argument. The world as a whole has a lot lower HDTV penetration per PC user than the US.There are approximatley 110 million TV households in the US.In 2005 Utah was the highest state with PC in the household at 75% - . Let's estimate that in 2009 80 of all household in the US have PCs that gives us 88 million PC households. (of course many of these housholds have more than one PC - we need to hitAs of August of this year 53% of households have HDTV's - That gives us 58 million houshold with HDTV. So now we have 30 million PC households that don't even have the option to hook there PC up to an HDTV.The remaining 58 million - Let's be really outrageous and say a full 75% of them see that the best interest is to have the PC hooked up to the HDTV to play games. That gives us 44.5 million PC household playing PC games on HDTV and 44.5 million not. - So even use those huge percentages in your favor we only get half the the US PC's connected to HDTV for gaming.If you really think that 75% of HDTV household in the US have PC's connected to them even for general purposes not just gaming then I want to have some of what you are smoking , but even giving you that we are now even in mirroring my scenario and mirroring your setup - just in the USVandalvideoYou appeal to a number of logical fallacies in this post. The fact of the matter is that you're going to have to prove that those that do not have HDTVs are within the overlap of people that are interested in video games. You have not shown that it is not the case that those buying computers or interested in computers do not fall within that 58%. This fallacy deals with portions. Until you can prove an overlap between these two groups, that argument falls flat on its face. I never claimed that people were likely to mirror my set up either. This fallacy is a red herring fallacy. Stick with trying to prove your own point; that it is not reasonable for the majority of consumers who are focused on buying a gaming PC. Your evidence, sir, is insufficient. You don't get it - you have your mind made up and fail to think logically. You do it all the time, but usually I just laugh at you. You keep mentioning those focused on buying a gaming PC - That statement invalidates this statement - Everyone already has a PC. Secondly why would you hook your gaming PC to a 1080p HDTV when you get much better resolutions on a PC monitor. So the serious PC gamer is not going to play on the 1080p HDTV they are going to play on the vastly superior monitor they already own for gaming purposes. Let's be real you are mixing up general PC gamer that might like to play on there HDTV, but don't know how or can't bother with the PC gamer who could and would do it, but would prefer the resolutions they get from a monitor. Does it happen - of course and quite often I am sure, but a very small percentage of that large PC gaming population is doing it.
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