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#1 thew13
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After looking at the arguments more, TheW13, it appears that you are confusing Practical with Popular.

If you really want to argue the practical uses of the PC on an HDTV here they are many practical uses (confined to PC gaming & mentioned before too). If you want to argue the popularity of the percentage of people that do so, that's another story. So if you want to come at it from the practical angle you still are wrong, because it can be practical to do PC gaming on an HDTV (while including the family). Is it popolar to do so? Probably not, but then again it could be more prevalent than it is imagined it to be.

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In a vacuum it is practical - in most people living situations it is not
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#2 thew13
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You have to imagine that every person's household is not the same. The reality that you have only 1 tv viewing room and 1 computer is not the same for everyone else.

My pc has a dedicated setup with a projector in the basement. At any time I can switch from watching tv/xbox/PC. There are only a few genres of games I preffer playing on the big screen (like platform games, old-school emulated games).

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And you really think the average home is closer to yours than what you assume mine is. I have 6 TVs(only one HD at this time) a PC and a work laptop. And I think I have more possibilities than the average home.
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#3 thew13
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[QUOTE="thew13"] it is not a practical thing to do for the general public.Vandalvideo
Assuming that you're right and ignoring the etymology of the word practical; I want you to prove to me that the majority of people would not want to hook up their PC to their TV. Not simply HDTV either. Your own thread on this issue had 2/3 people say they would. Guess what, majority on my side.

Majority of SW - if you really think SW reflects the general public - once again give me what you are smoking And looking at the poll WTF are you smoking is winning by a landslide
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#4 thew13
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i've done that in the past to play some movies on a friend's tv. what's the big deal?Ontain
To play games not movies
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#5 thew13
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[QUOTE="thew13"]

[QUOTE="menes777"]

Vandal,

I think this guy is going to round and round in circles because for him it's not about what's fact it's about "winning the argument". He claims that this whole argument is based on broad statements and assumptions, yet he throws whoppers of statements to support his arguments. I think what he means to say is that because he doesn't like to play his PC on his HDTV that it shouldn't be done and that consoles are the only feasible option for doing so.

DragonfireXZ95

Nope just love getting hermits(any fanboys really, but todya it's hermits) in an uproar. I can do it, have done it(with my laptop), I don't even need any special HDMI converters - my TV has the standard PC monitor connector (as most HDTV's do). just don't pretend that is the best option for the general public because it's not

It's not whether people want to hook it up to their TV, it's the option that they can. You're turning the argument into a forced discord. It doesn't matter if people want to or not, it's that they can if they want to.

When did I ever say you can't. Practical and can/can't aren't the same thing.

Again my point - don't make the argument that everyone(or most everyone) has a PC and in the same structure of an argument then mention teh ease of hooking it up to your TV. Becuase when you say everyone you refer to the general population and it is not a practical thing to do for the general public.

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[QUOTE="thew13"]Do you really believe the things you say Practical and easy are not the same.It is easy for me to put my bed in the living room, but it is not practical.It is easy for me to wear a parka in 100 degree weather, but it is not practical It is easy for me to bathe in a puddle in the street, but it is not practical t is easy for me use all my DVD's as frisbees, but is not practical nd to use your example - it would be easier to order food than to make it, but it would not always be more practical.Vandalvideo
I'm sorry, but merely because you claim something is impractical does not mean that it is impractical. Practical merely means, according to Oxford English Dictionary; realistic in approach. Meaning that you are realistically ABLE to do something. Whether or not you want to do it does not mean that it is impractical. If you can easily move your bed into the living room, and there are no serious offsetting variables, it is practical to do so. In terms of PCs and TVs; It is easy to do, everyone who has a PC can do it, and there is nothing serious stopping you from doing so besides your own obstinance. It is practical to do so; whether you want to do so or not.

Realistic in approach and being able to do something are not the same thing

You temper the statement about the bed in the living room with "offsetting variable". well that's the difference between easy and practical

There are almost always 'offsetting variable' in anything you do. Read my original post. My reasons for it not being practical were 'offsetting variables" I stated that when those 'offsetting variable' are not present that it is indeed practical.

For the majority of the general public some 'offsetting variable' is in place, making it not such a practical practice.

Everyone needs to stop appling SW rules and SW population to Real life and the general population.

I would agree that is most likely a practical thing for the majority of SW users, but that's not the debate.

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#7 thew13
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[QUOTE="thew13"]

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

I wouldn't do it. But thats just cuz my monitor is much better than either an SDTV or an HDTV.

I'd rather hook up my monitor to my cable box/consoles than the other way around.

washd123

Well that would be the obvious reason not to, which is really my point of view.

while my monitor is better i used to hook up my pc to a sdtv just for the bigger screen.

realistically most of today's PC games would look horrendous on a standard def TV especially a larger screen.
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[QUOTE="thew13"]] It's easy, it's not practical And your bolded statement is not what I originally said. Reading comprehension please. Of course it is easy and any who desired to do it could. However, for the majority of PC owners it is not practical.Vandalvideo
Pratical and easy are practically the same thing. For something to be practical it need merely be able to be done on a realistic basis. There isn't anything stopping your average person from hooking their PC up to their TV; SD or HD. It is practical for them to do so. Whether they choose to do it or not has no bearing on practicality. It would be practical for me to order out than to make food, but that doesn't mean I have to order out.

Do you really believe the things you say Practical and easy are not the same.

It is easy for me to put my bed in the living room, but it is not practical.

It is easy for me to wear a parka in 100 degree weather, but it is not practical I

t is easy for me to bathe in a puddle in the street, but it is not practical

It is easy for me use all my DVD's as frisbees, but is not practical

And to use your example - it would be easier to order food than to make it, but it would not always be more practical.

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#9 thew13
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[QUOTE="thew13"][QUOTE="menes777"]

I would venture to guess(I have no proof, so I can't state it as fact) that a lot more consoles are connected to PC monitors than PC's connected to standard def TV's.

I admire you for finally conceding the fact that PC users can hookup to an HDTV. Now if that is the standard practice? Another argument for another time. I would think you are correct though, that more PC users use monitors than HDTV's. However, really what's the difference between a LCD-TV and an LCD-Monitor? Not much compared to the CRT's.

Oh and no computing back in the days of the C64 may not have been better (opinion of course) or maybe it was, but you should really lighten up. Not everything is an argument to be won. You really come across as a young person desperate to win his battle that PC users cannot and shouldn't play their games on an HDTV.

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Well sorry if I came off that way. I realize any Pc can be hooked up to any TV without much hassle. Just trying to make a point that in reality it is not a practical thing for a huge amount of people.

Yet again, a broad sweeping statement. :roll:

Even if not one person hooked up their PC to their HDTV, which of course we know is false. Is it really an advantage for consoles? Of course not. The same way that consoles could hook up to PC Monitors but most do not is not an advantage for PC users.

LOL yeah it's a broad statement, although given the responses from the SW board (and others) I think it would be difficult to find the opposite to be true.

Wait..wait...wait When did I ever say it was a advantage for consoles in general. I said it was an advantage for me. You are getting defensive about something your are assuming I am saying. Funny stuff

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#10 thew13
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I would venture to guess(I have no proof, so I can't state it as fact) that a lot more consoles are connected to PC monitors than PC's connected to standard def TV's.

I admire you for finally conceding the fact that PC users can hookup to an HDTV. Now if that is the standard practice? Another argument for another time. I would think you are correct though, that more PC users use monitors than HDTV's. However, really what's the difference between a LCD-TV and an LCD-Monitor? Not much compared to the CRT's.

Oh and no computing back in the days of the C64 may not have been better (opinion of course) or maybe it was, but you should really lighten up. Not everything is an argument to be won. You really come across as a young person desperate to win his battle that PC users cannot and shouldn't play their games on an HDTV.

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Well sorry if I came off that way. I realize any Pc can be hooked up to any TV without much hassle. Just trying to make a point that in reality it is not a practical thing for a huge amount of people.