No, Never. I'm totally against that thing.

teddyrob

Well, I downloaded Team Fortress 2 through Steam after paying for it, although you could say the amount of fun I had online with it was illegal.

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[QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

Read two sentences of ANYTHING John Brown said and it will be completely apparent that he believed that he was on a mission from God. He viewed himself as a tool of God and that his sole purpose in life was destroy slavery as it was against God. Yes, he was referring to the Christian God, and yes he was a tad insane. John Brown was trying to do God's will. There is really no way around that. His motivations were obvious.

HomicidalCherry

I see. However the motivation from the Christian aspect, the original poster's original statement referred to Christianity as the only cause for abolishment of slavery, which I find highly unlikely, given a list of obvious reasons why I would not like to see my neighbour nor an immigrant from a foreign place tied up in chains and all sad-looking with some obviously sad tales.

I would agree that that isn't true. Even in America, there were other groups and factors that contributed to abolition.

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Yeah, you really can't be black and white regarding this subject. There were other influences, but to say that

[quote="unholymight"]The fact that slavery arose on Christianity's watch would show that Christianity provided little, if any, effective resistance against slavery.HomicidalCherry

is absolutely ridiculous to anybody who knows anything about the subject. I named just a few influential Christians, but I could go on all day. John Brown is considered by many to be the abolishionist who STARTED the Civil War. To say that Christianity provided little resistance against slavery is just unreasonable. By your own admission, you have no education regarding the subject.

Later.

I don't see why you are so picky about my lack of education on the subject. If your logic was more sound my lack of knowledge would have posed a problem, but there was enough opportunities for me to simply rely on looking at your arguments.

Read two sentences of ANYTHING John Brown said and it will be completely apparent that he believed that he was on a mission from God. He viewed himself as a tool of God and that his sole purpose in life was destroy slavery as it was against God. Yes, he was referring to the Christian God, and yes he was a tad insane. John Brown was trying to do God's will. There is really no way around that. His motivations were obvious.

I see. However the motivation from the Christian aspect, the original poster's original statement referred to Christianity as the only cause for abolishment of slavery, which I find highly unlikely, given a list of obvious reasons why I would not like to see my neighbour nor an immigrant from a foreign place tied up in chains and all sad-looking with some obviously sad tales.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Actually the original slaves were Polytheists (Slavs)...so really it has nothing to do with it forming under "Christianity's watch"..because they were enslaved by the Muslims in the East as well..

Correction: The word "Slave" comes from "Slav"..but Romans also had slaves and they weren't necessarily Christian..

HomicidalCherry

Christianity did play a large role in the abolition of American slavery. Quakers, a sect of Christianity, were the loan standard-bearers of abolitionism for 50 years. They believed that slavery was against God. Christianity was not a universal cure that would immediately end slavery everywhere it spread, but it clearly had a great deal of influence over abolitionism in America. It served as a moral imeptus for many to fight against slavery.

I am a junior in high school for the record.;)

[QUOTE="unholymight"]Like I said, you don't need to be an expert in religion to find a contradiction in someone's argument. Besides, no education means no FORMAL education, so it's not like I have NO knowledge. If you would notice the importance of this, I would thank you by encouraging you to see a debate, such as your local model united nations assembly.Welkabonz

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[QUOTE="unholymight"]

Christianity (and Christians) had a huge impact on the abolishment of slavery in the USA. And I'm saying that as an athiest! It's not my opinion, it's fact. Many important figures in the movement (such as Harriet Beecher Stowe and John Brown) were Christians who used their beliefs as a means to influence and oppose slavery. Abraham Lincoln, although religiously ambiguous, was a member of the Republican party which, as I stated above, used religion to progress the anti-slavery movement.

And I have to ask-- What is the extent of your education as far as this subject is concerned?

Posting this again because I'd still like a response.

VigilanteArtist

Let me quote what the original poster said:

"It was only until Christianity's influence that slavery was abolished. You can talk about serfdom all you want, but it still isn't the same principal as slavery."

He said that Christianity was the only thing that contributed to the abolishment of slavery. I was challenging this view. Although you have named many Christians who opposed slavery, any other factor that is not specifically Christian in origin that contributed to the abolishment of slavery could be something I can use against your argument.

Yeah, you really can't be black and white regarding this subject. There were other influences, but to say that

The fact that slavery arose on Christianity's watch would show that Christianity provided little, if any, effective resistance against slavery.unholymight

is absolutely ridiculous to anybody who knows anything about the subject. I named just a few influential Christians, but I could go on all day. John Brown is considered by many to be the abolishionist who STARTED the Civil War. To say that Christianity provided little resistance against slavery is just unreasonable. By your own admission, you have no education regarding the subject.

Later.

I don't see why you are so picky about my lack of education on the subject. If your logic was more sound my lack of knowledge would have posed a problem, but there was enough opportunities for me to simply rely on looking at your arguments.