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#1 unholymight
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I was actually trying to show that it was NOT just under Christian rule that people were forced into slavery..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

That might actually further support my point, since then I can say that despite religious teachings telling people to treat each other as they would have others treat them, slavery still occurred.

But not your view that it was under Christian watch...also..slavery of the indigenous people of America was abolished by a Christian priest in the 1500's..

Well you showed that it can occur in areas that don't have Christianity. But showing that does not yet prove that it cannot exist in areas where there is also Christianity. Wikipedia says slavery lasted longer than that here; into the 1700s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_slavery Also, you have not established that it was indeed specifically Christianity that ended slavery, not the common sense of the people.
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[QUOTE="Democratik"] Slavery has existed longer than christianity.Democratik

He was trying to show Christianity removed slavery. Demonstrating that slavery existed longer than Christianity does not support his argument, unless slavery was completely abolished forever right when Christianity came along.

oh, I was confused by "arosed" i thought you meant slavery started after christianity

I meant it as in there are cases where slavery increased in an environment where Christianity was also present.
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Actually the original slaves were Polytheists (Slavs)...so really it has nothing to do with it forming under "Christianity's watch"..because they were enslaved by the Muslims in the East as well..

Correction: The word "Slave" comes from "Slav"..but Romans also had slaves and they weren't necessarily Christian..

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I was referring to the case of America, specifically. I believe you were trying to show that Christianity was a leading cause for the abolishment of slavery. Showing that slavery occurred in other places where Christianity was absent does not lend real support to your argument. If I may be priviledged to ask, are you a junior in high school?

I was actually trying to show that it was NOT just under Christian rule that people were forced into slavery..

That might actually further support my point, since then I can say that despite religious teachings telling people to treat each other as they would have others treat them, slavery still occurred.
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#4 unholymight
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

So now we're getting..personal?..

I'm sure people would care in either case..it just wouldn't cause an uproar in media..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

No, I was just curious. Was I right, though?

No you were wrong..

Well, the YouTube profile in your sig was a 10th grader in high school, thought there might have been some connection. Was I at least close though?
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="VigilanteArtist"]

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

Democratik

The fact that slavery arose on Christianity's watch would show that Christianity provided little, if any, effective resistance against slavery.

Slavery has existed longer than christianity.

He was trying to show Christianity removed slavery. Demonstrating that slavery existed longer than Christianity does not support his argument, unless slavery was completely abolished forever right when Christianity came along.

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Ok, so i guess...hmm...catering tomuslims in the USA as a means of placating them would be politically incorrect?..

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Catering? Hmm, you have used that word several times. If I may know, how old are you? I would make give a guess that you were a student in 10th grade, but I may be well off.

If a politician said "Allah is the best of the Gods I've heard of", it would be politically incorrect. If he said "Little Big Planet is the best of the games I've heard of", no one would care.

So now we're getting..personal?..

I'm sure people would care in either case..it just wouldn't cause an uproar in media..

No, I was just curious. Was I right, though?
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="VigilanteArtist"]

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

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The fact that slavery arose on Christianity's watch would show that Christianity provided little, if any, effective resistance against slavery.

Actually the original slaves were Polytheists (Slavs)...so really it has nothing to do with it forming under "Christianity's watch"..because they were enslaved by the Muslims in the East as well..

Correction: The word "Slave" comes from "Slav"..but Romans also had slaves and they weren't necessarily Christian..

I was referring to the case of America, specifically. I believe you were trying to show that Christianity was a leading cause for the abolishment of slavery. Showing that slavery occurred in other places where Christianity was absent does not lend real support to your argument. If I may be priviledged to ask, are you a junior in high school?
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Ever been to the SW forums?...i'm sure people there argue just as heatedly about PS3 and X-box..

Favoring a religion..you mean like catering to them..?

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Yeah. Expressing a personal predisposition towards something.

Ok, so i guess...hmm...catering tomuslims in the USA as a means of placating them would be politically incorrect?..

Catering? Hmm, you have used that word several times. If I may know, how old are you? I would make give a guess that you were a student in 10th grade, but I may be well off.

If a politician said "Allah is the best of the Gods I've heard of", it would be politically incorrect. If he said "Little Big Planet is the best of the games I've heard of", no one would care.

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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Stumpt25"]But Greek values of democracy were tied in with state run slavery. It was only until Christianity's influence that slavery was abolished. You can talk about serfdom all you want, but it still isn't the same principal as slavery.VigilanteArtist

So, during the 1800s in America, Christianity didn't exist?

The movement to abolish slavery was largely based on Christian ideals. For example, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists in the 1850s and used churches as networks to gain and influence voters. Slavery was considered a sin. Of course, there were hypocritical Christians in the 1800s too.

The fact that slavery arose on Christianity's watch would show that Christianity provided little, if any, effective resistance against slavery.
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#10 unholymight
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[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

Yes it does..all the time...hence, System Wars..

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Not to the extent at which religion is debated. Ever wonder why favouring a religion is politically incorrect yet favouring a video game is not nearly as politically incorrect?

Ever been to the SW forums?...i'm sure people there argue just as heatedly about PS3 and X-box..

Favoring a religion..you mean like catering to them..?

Yeah. Expressing a personal predisposition towards something.